Deck the Halls with Lifesavers and Labubus

Jann Arden  0:00  
Jen, welcome to the Jan Arden podcast. I am Jan Arden and I am here with Caitlin green, Sarah Burke, we're all in Toronto. We are just rolling towards Christmas. It is happening fast. I'm telling you, I feel so unorganized. I feel so unorganized because I'm on the road and I don't know what Christmas is going to look like for me this year, so it's going to be a grab bag.

Sarah Burke  0:31  
Have you figured out what you're getting for thortis? Yes, I'm

Jann Arden  0:35  
not going to say it on here, because thortis is an avid listener. She may be a couple weeks behind sometimes, but she listens. But, yeah, I think I've got her sorted out. I'm feeling good about it. It's, you know, what do you buy someone who's got everything? I know it's so hard. I mean, I don't need anything, and I'm telling everyone, literally, please do not buy me anything. Oh, and then there's a caveat, I'm like, but I will accept candles at any time of year, like a nice candle, like the ones that cost people 40 bucks, that burn for 80 hours. I'm always down for a

Sarah Burke  1:07  
candle. Have you sorted out Kyle and will yet?

Caitlin Green  1:10  
Oh yeah, I know exactly what I'm getting both of them. I have a list we're trying to sort out. I actually have a an email, a draft right now to Kyle's family, because we're doing Christmas with his family in PEI this year, and I need to understand the approach for all the other kids and adults in the family, like, are we doing Secret Santa? Are we doing stockings only? What are the kids into this year? And then for everyone, we're getting gifts for but we're not going to see on Christmas morning. You have to set up all the gifts in advance. So like our nieces and nephews here, we have to leave the gifts for them. Then for my dad and and his girlfriend, we have to do their gifts in advance. So we're doing, like, quite a staggered Christmas, because we'll see my dad and his girlfriend for like, a Toronto version of Christmas before we leave. So there's, like, there's a lot of stuff kind of that, that kind you have to juggle. So I relate jannand I'm not naturally super organized at Christmas, but once you have a kid, you kind of have to change your tune a bit. We put our tree up this week. Will Much to my surprise. Actually, I shouldn't say surprise, but the we have an artificial Christmas tree this year. It's our first year going artificial, and it's pre lit, and it has different light settings, so you can do like blinking, whatever he loves Rainbow, rainbow lights. And I'm a white Christmas light person, so it's been a real back and forth in the house where I'll change the setting to white, and I just hear from the room as he notices no mama rainbow. And he's like, no rainbow light. I'm like, we have to share though, sometimes we'll do rainbow, mostly we'll do rainbow, but sometimes I'm going to turn it to white, especially if you go to bed. He's like, no rainbow all the time.

Jann Arden  2:42  
I like when he's laying down, he's in charge. Sorry.

Caitlin Green  2:45  
But you know what's funny about Jan? I know there's a little something that thorta says kids have really had their heart set on, and it wasn't just specific to Christmas. Boo Boo. Oh, tell us more. They got one. Oh, they did. Did they get artists.

Jann Arden  3:01  
Went to they've got two. Okay, okay. She went to a market. She says, I don't know if these are like underground rip off like

Caitlin Green  3:10  
LA boo boos the lefu, which is the fake,

Jann Arden  3:13  
but she thinks they're real. She got them at an Icelandic flea market. She can't believe her children know what they are. I said, Baby, they're on YouTube. They're watching stuff. They've got that that stuff gets in. This is they are being radicalized by the Boo Boo people.

Caitlin Green  3:34  
James, not wrong. Big LuBu is here like it's really around. And Sony Pictures actually just purchased the rights to LuBu for creating a labubu movie franchise. Okay, I knew that was coming. Yeah. Oh, inevitable. You knew that IP was going to sell for a fortune. I also recently read that one of the big talent agencies in LA is the is officially has signed and is representing Parmigiano Reggiano the cheese. What? So somebody owns the IP on Parmesan cheese. And now whenever you see Parmesan cheese in a movie, it's because it's been placed there by this talent agency. Like the world is a strange place. So anyways, there's a Lebu buou franchise coming out. So if your kids aren't already into it, I regret to inform you, they will be one day, because it's going to be like trolls. But I've been on the hunt, on like a slow burn for lubus in Toronto, for thortis kids, because they pop up here and there, but they sell out so quickly that if you happen to live near she

Jann Arden  4:29  
found them, she says, I'm not telling you what I paid for them. I'm like, fine. I don't I'm not going to ask, because I think you know when you do buy children's things, but I don't think they're going to get tossed aside. I think they are pretty much traveling with the kids at all times. And the other big thing too is that demon slayers thing, the K Pop demon slayers see what? I know, nothing. Well, her kids know every word. So these are Icelandic children, and they are getting so great at English, and they are learning from the internet. And they're learning from YouTube, and they're learning from music, and which is way a lot of people learn English, like globally, they learn from songs the demon slayer thing, huge, singing at the top of their lungs. The other thing they're singing too, as well. Thor to said, they are addicted to the greatest showman. Oh, wow. Jackman, that is a random soundtrack. That is an excellent soundtrack, and it's a circus with all these marginalized characters. Like, I think the story, in and of itself, is a pretty great message. Like, you can be different and you can be a bearded lady. And this is what I'm hoping for, is that bearded ladies become acceptable as I get older in my life,

Caitlin Green  5:38  
Jan, that's what lasers for too, though, is the streaming services mean that there is things have become timeless in a way that I wasn't familiar with, because, like growing up, if it wasn't on TV live, or if you didn't own a hard copy of a movie or something, you didn't really get to see it. And now, because these streaming services have ever this huge library will randomly this weekend, was just looking at the, you know, what was on offer on Disney plus, and we noticed that there was this thing called gummy bears. Well, it's a cartoon I grew up watching in the 90s, 80s or 90s. Will goes, Can I watch gummy bears like he just saw it and wanted to see it because the characters look cute. So here he is watching this incredibly obscure 80s, 90s cartoon called gummy bears, and I forgot that the theme song is almost like this power ballad, and now he's singing along to the same thing that I grew up with. So I think that that's how everything's changed, like, even though her kids are in Iceland. And you might think, like, how the heck are they exposed to this? You watch Dan, they might start singing gummy bears at the top of their lungs one day.

Jann Arden  6:41  
Well, they're singing random stuff, every word like phonetically correct, and then they ask thortis, inevitably, what does this mean? What does this line mean? So she said, she says, I am constantly translating. But she said, the things with children, they don't need to be prompted again. It is booked, signed, sealed, delivered, and it is stored in their minds. So once they are given the meaning and the translation, it's locked away. But I think that is a young brain. If someone can tell me how to say, you know, hello in Spanish, it will be gone in five minutes.

Sarah Burke  7:16  
What do you say that again? I guess I have to get like this year, I have to get my sister's baby a gift, right for for Hanukkah, so she'll, she'll be one in February, so she's not even one years old yet, and she's pregnant with number two. No, I told you guys this. I think I'm pretty sure, see,

Jann Arden  7:33  
I can't even remember that. What do you mean? You have a sister.

Sarah Burke  7:37  
So my mom and her have been going back and forth because she said she wanted to host Hanukkah, like a little Hanukkah party this year. And my mom was like, Are you sure? Like, you're probably really tired, and like, I don't mind. And she's like, No, I'm gonna do all the things. I'm gonna make the luck. Because so anyway, it's December 14, and I gotta get something for Oakland. But like, yeah, what do you get a kid that's under a year?

Jann Arden  7:57  
Jelly, you get them. No, you get them. Yeah. Jelly cats are cool. Always.

Caitlin Green  8:02  
You can't have enough. And the ones that, the ones that will was gifted when he was a new it's a little squishy, little squishy. They're like, they're, they're very beautiful, well made stuffed animals. Oh, they're hit. And they have a million different ones of them. And Will's collection in his bed, like he has. He sleeps in a frame of jelly cats and some other brands of stuffed animals too. But you can't really go wrong. Where do you buy these? I mean, really anywhere, like our local Renfrew, they have, they have a whole jelly cat section that holds not the last place I would have guessed totally. Let me tell you, Holtz is Christmas shopping is like they have the Mary McLeod shortbreads. They have jelly cats. They've expanded but Indigo. But also your local toy stores, like in my neighborhood, I think the best jelly cat selection is at a store called Little peeps, and then only Jan's works there. And so every time I go in, she knows will. She calls Kyle by name. Kyle is totally freaked out. He's like, why does this woman know me? I'm like, she listens to the show. So shout out to little peeps. But like any of these places will have them, and they'll have beautiful selections. And I'll tell you, it's not just kids. There are adult collectors, and they'll go in and get the limited edition ones. And it's a whole thing. Over the

Sarah Burke  9:06  
weekend, my dad was like, we just dropped off, like, all of your sister's Beanie Babies at her place. Because my sister was obsessed, had the whole wall of them, like, my dad built a shelving unit for them. I remember back in the day, of course, he did so weird hearing about all the different things that the kids are in.

Jann Arden  9:21  
Listen, things just go round and round and round again. You know, I rest my case, the Batman franchise, the Superman franchise, you know, Star Wars and any Hot Wheels. Yeah, it's all, it just all comes back. It's retro, you know, guitar band. The kids that are playing that video game now are doing Santana and metal bands like Metallica, they're they're not doing Sabrina carpenter tunes. They're doing retro guitar band, because the new music doesn't have fucking guitars on it anymore. It's true. It's all synths, and it'll all come around and go around again. I'm going to be in fashion again someday. It's not that far away. Could. Maybe a decade away, but I'm going to be back in fashion.

Caitlin Green  10:02  
You experienced, like, rebirths, and, you know, you like, I've watched it happen since working on the podcast with you, which has been five years. And it's because of things like Tiktok, and it's because of, you know, we have an upcoming guest on our show, Alan Doyle, and we get to talk to him a lot about his new book, which is, of course, all about his his home province of Newfoundland and Labrador. And I was thinking about about him a little bit, and about Newfoundland and Labrador, thanks to Tiktok, there is a whole Tiktok influencer genre of people in Ireland who go and talk about their journeys to Newfoundland and the Newfoundland history of it all. Like, because of Tiktok, you're watching this like, very out of off the beaten path, little place in Canada get a lot of attention, like, I'll see millions of views on this stuff. So I don't know. I think that's just like, one of the benefits of having the whole world on your phone these days is like, you can discover Jan Arden and La boo boos and La boo boo K Pop Demon Hunters slash slayers. And you never know. There's just things

Jann Arden  10:57  
that are coming back from my childhood. But I'm going to say this one more time, the Book of Life Savers, can someone please bring that back properly? Yes, yeah, can you just please bring the actual just who's ever owns it? Don't just do the shitty five flavor, five packs in a cardboard hole. Lazy. Get the book, get rum, butter, butterscotch, or whatever the flavors are, winter, green. Are those are lifesavers? No, they're lifesavers. They're hard candies. But they were in a book with 10 rolls in there, and we got one every Christmas. They came out at Christmas. I don't know why the lifesaver people thought that, no, we're not going to make these anymore. I'm telling you, you've got a fucking winner on your hands. Do it? I bring it up at the concerts, the crowd collectively sighs when I bring up, where are the book of lifesavers?

Caitlin Green  11:47  
My dad used to work at Hershey's and and so he was in like, you need to talk to him. Well, he was very senior in their marketing. He was responsible for the design of back in the day, it was ovation, the little mint sticks you'd have and the pot of gold, he did. He worked on this big pot of gold.

Jann Arden  12:04  
Oh, my God, the worst chocolates ever. But I ate them by the dozen. That's they were so sweet. Oh yeah, I only ate the one tooth by the time I was 20. But that's okay, yeah,

Caitlin Green  12:13  
that's why I've had, like, I have a small car in my mouth thanks to my dad's early job. But the lifesavers holiday book was a huge thing. It was a top seller, and then they kind of did fall out of fashion, but everything old is new again. And I agree, Jan, because I had those. I had them in the house, and we would gift them to people, like we showed up to people's places the holidays, just like exploding arms of Hershey's candies. And everyone liked those. And there were so many good flavors. I just yeah, it has to come back.

Jann Arden  12:41  
Well, I'm not asking people to bring back nunchucks. You know those, those resin balls that took out noses and teeth and eyeballs that you would click back and forth like we're not asking for the dangerous things. There's nothing dangerous about a book of lifesavers. We're not even asking for the crazy carpet. You know what I'm saying? Yep, you're not asking to bring that back, because no one wants to put their child on a sheet of saran wrap and send them down a ravine. Okay, but nobody wants that.

Caitlin Green  13:06  
Do you remember too? His competitor was, you know, the the willow crisps. Do you know those old packages, and it was like the Nielsen chocolates, I think it was what it was called. And were they like score bar things, kind of, they were kind of like little, little, small versions of crispy crunches, and they were called Willow crisp, and the packaging was this iconic 80s thing. And again, to speak to Instagram and Tiktok, I've seen all these nostalgia accounts, like retro kid or whatever, posting about them and saying, like, in addition to the lifesavers books and in addition to all the boxes of chocolates we had at Christmas time, bring back Willow crisp. And I think holiday can be like it's very ingrained in people's mind, even if it was a seasonal thing.

Sarah Burke  13:44  
I did not like every Christmas they would come the Terry's chocolate orange I don't

Jann Arden  13:49  
like love them. Love them. They have a dark one. Oh my god, I live and breathe for the things.

Sarah Burke  13:54  
If I get one, it's coming. Give it to me. It's coming to you.

Jann Arden  13:58  
Also, have you seen the new versions, the 2025, versions of Easy Bake Oven. No, they look like little microwaves. In my day, you got the little bake pans and the, oh, my God, it was so funny. I wanted one so bad to make the little mixes. And it was a light bulb. It was 120 watt light bulb that was inside the Easy Bake oven that you baked a little mini sheet cake, a round cake with a light bulb, and they fucking worked. You'd have icing, I'm telling you, I so they're better now. Would have died and gone to heaven. I never had one, but my neighbor, Gary Gary got one. Gary Gary got the Easy Bake like he was an only child. And I just course he got the Easy Bake envy. I just, I just, I burned hot when I was around Gary IN THAT easy bake oven. I burned hot coveting that. And he never let me try baking or stirring up the cakes or anything. I never even got to try it.

Caitlin Green  14:57  
That's terrible. Well, you know what you would like we have. Have, we have a bunch of the small appliances from our place, you know, that kind of, like cool Gen Z, like cookware company. They do really nice, like pots and pans and stuff. And they have an oven. It's, it's their version of an air fryer mixed with sort of like a tiny, like convection oven. And I, when I opened it up, and it's so cute, and the colors are so great. I was like, this is Easy Bake culture. This is an adult Easy Bake and it is so fun, and you can bake cookies in it. So I made Christmas cookies for will and has the little tray, and you only need to make eight, and you don't have to turn on your main oven and heat up your whole house. And it is really satisfying.

Jann Arden  15:37  
My girlfriend, have I spoken about my beautiful girlfriend, my Icelandic girlfriend

Caitlin Green  15:42  
made it to 16 minutes. Oh, no, we talked about lubulus, nevermind.

Jann Arden  15:45  
Yeah, yeah, when I first started going back and forth, and we've been together seven months now, that's it. I'll just give you that update I bought for the Icelandic home an air fryer. And so she had her dear friend Brin over a few nights ago, and they were just having a great visit and getting caught up. They're both so busy, yada yada, but she did their entire meal in the air fryer. And Brin sends me a picture. She goes, I just want you to know that your Icelandic girlfriend is using this air fryer good. And she kind of like, wink, wink. I don't know if it was a great idea, but she had like, you know, fries and some kind of, you know, vegan meat patty, and it was just everything was from the air fryer. And I was so proud because Thor just looked at me like, I don't think I'm gonna use that well, that thing is never not on, and it's because Caitlin, don't have to turn your oven on.

Caitlin Green  16:37  
That's right, absolutely. And it's like, they're and they're good. And when I was staying with you, Jan, we had been like, we'd been busy. I think it was the day that you were we had your friends over, and was like, reorganizing the garage and everything, anyways. And Jan, I hate those little fish, those English fish things, like, just for dinner, because we both were kind of like, over eating. Like we were like, we'd gone to restaurants and we were eating it weird times. And like, we're ready to just, like, call it a night, but we needed to eat a little something. Jan, tossed in these English style fish filets into the air fryer, and I just had them by themselves to feed you. I needed them by themselves with Carter sauce. And I was like, This is it? I love this. I would just have that with, like, maybe a little bit of sweet potato, and be so happy

Jann Arden  17:16  
you can do anything in there. And honest to God, in 15 or 20 minutes you're done, you can do anything, any kind of vegetable, Brussels sprouts, in the air fryer. So yeah, it really is a magnificent it's a convection, it's a glorified convection oven for anyone. So it's basically forced very, very hot air. But ovens have had that going on for a long time. Ovens, people always look at the convection setting in their oven. They're like, What the fuck is that? It is an air a giant air fryer in your oven, but for a fraction of the power anyway, back to, like, gift giving suggestions. I I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring with your almost one year old niece and say, some kind of, like, a $100 bond that will, like, gain money, start a little fund for this little, tiny tot. Oh, and it's just, I think it's really cool, like, by the time someone can be 16, they can have 10 grand sitting in there, just little bits and pieces at a time. I think it's a really nice gift. What does a one year old need?

Sarah Burke  18:17  
Seriously, it's, it's so funny, because the last time that I talked to you guys. When we were recording, like, Dan and I had not had any discussions about what we were or anything. It was just going well. But I did see, like, concert tickets go on sale in March for a show that I knew he would like Steven Wilson Jr. And I was like, Oh, I'm just gonna do it. And if not, I'll go alone, right? Like, it's fine. But since then that we've been invited to holiday things, like we covered that stuff this weekend, so I have been invited to meet Paris. Are you a girlfriend? Are you a girlfriend? We are exclusive.

Jann Arden  18:50  
Okay, okay, so none of us are single on the Gen Art Podcast. We are off of the market, ladies and gentlemen, and it's because of this show. Yeah, it

Caitlin Green  19:01  
must be, because I find this so satisfying. Is the person who watched both of you be like, we're never gonna be with anyone. We're single.

Sarah Burke  19:09  
Yeah, and my sister did say, if you'd like to, you know, bring him to the Hanukkah party, like he's welcome to come. I had no intent. I wasn't even ready to invite him. But then this trip got booked, and then he invited me to meet his parents. And I was like, Would you like to come to Hanukkah? And he's like, Yeah, Put me in coach.

Caitlin Green  19:27  
Hanukkah is a good intro, Jewish holiday. My I'm right. I feel

Sarah Burke  19:30  
like about that, yes, except he, like, he hasn't met my parents yet, so he's gonna meet, like, cousins and parents and my sister, like, everything.

Jann Arden  19:38  
Take the pressure. Take the pressure off, just the parents do every

Sarah Burke  19:42  
my parents are like, the least scary to me, like my parents are so chill. They are very kind my sister, though they're amazing.

Jann Arden  19:49  
Anyway, your sister is a new version of herself with child,

Caitlin Green  19:53  
but now he gets latkes and he doesn't have to deal with all the Passover reading of things.

Sarah Burke  19:57  
Oh yeah, the Passover would not be a good intro holiday, because. That's like sitting around for a long time, lots of prayers and all that,

Caitlin Green  20:03  
the one where you have to open the door to let the ghost in and out. Yep, yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. Elliot. Elliot. Yeah. You know, if

Jann Arden  20:09  
you're just joining us, we're not talking about the Ghost of Christmas Past. This is the Hanukkah ghost, which

Caitlin Green  20:16  
the Irish Catholic. But I've dated some Jewish men in my life, and I, my little

Jann Arden  20:19  
brother was married to a Jewish woman, and I did go to a Passover thing.

Sarah Burke  20:23  
I like church, by the way, like church. I've dated, I've dated Catholic and I just find that like, especially like modern day sermons, is that what you call them sermons? Sure, sure. You know, they're connecting, like, life, things together, and it's a pleasure to listen to, you know, any sort of perspective, all

Jann Arden  20:41  
the same thing. It really, I'm sorry, folks, there's not nine different gods out there. It's We come from a cradle of the veil of souls, whatever we are. There's science involved, please. I can't even get into it. I just there are at least 15 cultures that mirror Christianity, with the disciples, with the Messiah, you know the person dying on you know it's all there's the same trope that goes through so many different religions. We need to chill the shit out about all this stuff.

Caitlin Green  21:18  
I always find it heartwarming, at least, or like unifying in the sense that every single person you know, like humans, all just have questions. You know, everyone want everyone humans are intelligent enough beings to ask, Hey, wonder where the heck we all came from. Now, everyone's versions of that differ from there, but I always like that the impetus, the starting point, is really everyone being like, where did we come from? It's like, this curiosity, of like, you know, almost like childlike curiosity for everyone. I scared

Sarah Burke  21:46  
myself when I was young thinking about, like, where did I come from. I remember, like, vividly picturing myself and everything was like, white and nothingness, and it was just me. And I was like, I don't know where everybody went.

Caitlin Green  21:58  
Sounds like a mushroom trip. I was

Jann Arden  22:01  
not innately programmed into our DNA. You can't tell me that people or are versions of people, Neanderthals, dionysians, whatever 200,000 years ago or however long, how long have people been around, or versions of us millions of years?

Caitlin Green  22:20  
Depends who you ask. Yeah, it depends who you ask. Anyway, I think it

Jann Arden  22:24  
was always the origin, what are we doing here? Are we alone? Where are we? It's just part of being a being, a living being. But, and I've said this before on the show, my grandmother used to say to me, you don't need to worry about dying. You need to worry about living forever. I'm like, is a very frightening idea. Yeah, like, forever is forever. Is forever? Like, if you just keep going around the horn, that's that's a lot to carry around. But anyways, Merry Christmas. Welcome to the Christmas show, giving everyone a crisis. I'm Jen Caitlin and Sarah. We're just talking about relationships, and Sarah is official now, so all three of us.

Sarah Burke  23:05  
Funny thing about Jan that came up, I met some of the friends this weekend as well. Hilarious lesbian couple, Amy and Katie, saw their beautiful new house that they're building, and they were asking me what I did for a living, whatever. Then later in the night, they sent us like a video of them blasting your music on four by fours all over the property.

Jann Arden  23:24  
Love that. Yeah, listen, if you can make me a little bit of money out there, Sarah, I really appreciate it.

Jann Arden  23:37  
I am actually really looking forward to the holidays. Thoris is going to be at the house. Nigel and Charlie are going to be there on the 20th. So they'll be there four days before I arrive. They arrive on the 20th my car. No, she does. She she will meet me here in Toronto. My last show is in North Bay. I will fly here. I spend Christmas Eve by myself in the condo, but I do have a small tree that I got at home, since that just lights up. It's a glass tree. So I'm ready. I'm probably gonna watch elf. Yeah, and I'll order some Chinese food.

Sarah Burke  24:08  
Hey, Jewish person, if you need to have a little pizza party or something or Chinese food party, I'm here.

Jann Arden  24:13  
I'm here. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm gonna hold you to that. And so she'll meet me at the airport at about 8pm from her flight from Iceland. Then we get on our West jet flight. We fly to my house, Nigel and Charlie will be there. Everything will be clean. They'll probably have snacks for us. We'll say hello, because we arrive at one o'clock in the morning on the 26th so Christmas day, night, yeah and yeah. Then we fly back here, her and I on the 31st because I do the six hour broadcast with Adrienne Arsenault for New Year's. So watch for that on CBC. And then we're going to spend, obviously, New Year's Eve here, the first second. Thortis flies home on the third in January, and then I'll see her later on in January, I'll go to Reykjavik. Yeah.

Sarah Burke  25:00  
That's great. Yeah, yeah. And when do you leave on your trip? Caitlin, we full.

Caitlin Green  25:04  
We leave on the 22nd and then we get back on the 29th so we're in PEI for a week, and I just booked us some sleigh rides, some horse horsey sleigh rides. And Jan, I did. It's funny. I'm always curious about the condition for the horses, because when I remember, like as a kid, I was actually quite like, traumatized by seeing horses in Central Park. Marine land was a huge problem for me as a kid growing up, and made me cry. My parents had to leave after driving all the way to Niagara. So it should be and I think Will's cut from the same cloth. He's quite observant, and when something looks sad, he notices it, and it bums him out. They feel it. They do notice not correct. And so I have been assured as to the care of the horses, and that some of them are rescue horses, and they have, they live on these beautiful farms, and it's the same thing. The place that they do it is called Hatfield farms, I believe, in Nova Scotia, and we've done a sleigh ride there, and the horses seem to be living the good life. So I was like, Okay, so we're doing that. So I'm making that plan. There is, if

Jann Arden  26:07  
they're not walking down the streets of fucking New York on a hot day, you know, with shit on their asses and that that's stopping in 2026 in New York, they have finally, yeah, they have finally, finally had enough people push back to this archaic practice of these horses being stored in these these high rises to haul rich morons around Central Park. So and

Caitlin Green  26:33  
they get cars a lot. Honestly, they get into

Jann Arden  26:35  
access out they die. They have exhaustion.

Sarah Burke  26:38  
I'm still seeing a lot of horses like on the, like, secondary highways in Ontario, like, on my drive home from Dan's yesterday, five they there. There's a little cart with people, maybe Mennonite, maybe, oh, probably, yeah, yeah, I saw five,

Jann Arden  26:54  
and they're probably exempt, you know, where their horses end up all the frickin time, where on the slaughter pipeline. They work their whole life, these people, and then they

Sarah Burke  27:04  
end up, I can get them. How do we end up? It's, it's a

Jann Arden  27:08  
catastrophic problem. And anyone that tells you that it doesn't happen, it does happen because it's, it costs them money to put down a horse, and if they can make money by putting it in the in the slaughter pipeline, they do it. So it is, it sounds sinister, and they will defend themselves to the ends of the world. And that is the way it goes. And people are selfish, and there are exceptions. I am sure there are people out there that have a fucking heart that appreciate it, but it's still a system that is needs to be radically modified and abolished, but anyway, we will get there. Have you ever

Sarah Burke  27:45  
seen Stevie's ears so alert looking out the window at the horses, and she met Dan's kids rabbit over the weekend, and she she was in the same spot, staring at that rabbit for the entire time, like she was so obsessed with it. Okay, the pets

Jann Arden  27:58  
have met the pets of medicine. Can we? Can we just talk about this plane ride? Oh, we went on an airplane ride. Yes. So Tom was driving the air.

Caitlin Green  28:05  
I was gonna say, Well, you've buried the lead here, yeah.

Sarah Burke  28:08  
And I already told my mom, so she doesn't have to find out on the podcast. So we're saying, yeah. So he's been taking his like, pilot license, and I think he has seven, seven hours of solo flying left. So he had his instructor with him. He was flying, though. So the instructor and him were in the front, I was in the back, and it was beautiful. I got to see, like, Georgian Bay, like I can see Midland, like where my parents cottage is, is really, really cool. And I've done one of those little like, Dan was driving. Dan was flying. The flying, yes, I guess they call it flying, flying.

Caitlin Green  28:43  
Yeah, was driving.

Sarah Burke  28:45  
I've done one of those little like city, like Toronto, city, I know it took off from Porter, but my ex bought me this thing as a gift one time, and we went on a little sightseeing tour in Toronto, and I found it like, way bumpier than what the small plane, you know, we were in like Owen Sound mayford, and around that Toronto

Caitlin Green  29:04  
harbor like it's choppy, because even if you take off in a smaller plane, like a porter, but if you take off even in a smaller plane, that's not like a passenger small plane, it's quite they it's called it's thick. We've gone a couple times, and they call it sporty. And they also do, the Canadian military, does their tests out there, where they drop people into the lake. And I was flying out of the the like, private airport in on the island, and you share, like, a hanger with the Canadian military, and I have flying anxiety, and I said to them, like, well, what's it like out there? Guys? They're coming in with all their gear. They're soaking wet. They're like, it's a little sporty, but, like this airport usually is. I was like, What do you mean sporty?

Sarah Burke  29:46  
No, it was smooth, like it was, there was one turn where I was, like, I had the little drop that you kind of feel in a roller coaster, like, just for a second. I was otherwise it was totally fine. And my mother's face, oh, my God, I stopped him for lunch on the way home yesterday. She was like, you what? Showed her the photos. I'm like, it was fine, I swear. And the instructor, who, the guy, who you said looks nine years old,

Jann Arden  30:09  
he's actually 17. I

Sarah Burke  30:10  
think he's 27 I could be wrong. I'm sorry that is young, no, but I thought he looked really young, too. I was like, how's this dude teaching? But this guy will, like, you know, take a gal on a date in an airplane because he has his full pilot license, and share a bottle of wine after, like, this kid has flex like, that's

Caitlin Green  30:29  
Wait a minute if somebody invited you to go on an airplane on a first date, like, and they're 27 but fully licensed. Like, he's got a van in the world for me to have said yes to that.

Jann Arden  30:38  
No, I wouldn't do it. Like, absolutely. Like, can we just meet at Tim Hortons?

Sarah Burke  30:42  
He said he's one of his, like, best students he's ever had, and he was very confident. Like, there was no, I was not scared. I wasn't scared. Okay, so, yeah, it was fun. It was

Caitlin Green  30:52  
like, subscribe till the engine

Jann Arden  30:53  
stops or a wing falls off.

Caitlin Green  30:57  
Did you hear the Jennifer Lawrence story on No, okay. Jennifer Lawrence is doing a press tour right now for her movie that's coming out with Robert Pattinson, and so she was on one of my favorite podcast, last call trees does, and she tells this story about being on a smaller private plane, and one of the engines dies, and she's like, she you can hear it, and what, she's traveling with a family friend, and he's, like, frequent flyer, I don't he might even have a pilot's license, based on how she told the story. And he says, Don't worry. You don't need to. So long as you have one, you're completely good. Like, everything's fine. And then it's, like, a kidney, exactly, yeah. And then, like, not ideal, but you'll be okay. Then it gets quiet, and she says to him, Oh, the other one just died. And he goes, Yeah, I know it happened, like, two minutes ago. And then everyone on the plane starts crying and saying their final goodbyes, and the plane glides in. They make it. But I was like, Oh my gosh. And I've heard stories from friends who've been on small planes over the years, and like, I will say, I'm impressed with how safe planes can be. Like I was, one of my girlfriends was on a plane that flew upside down. So it had to get out of what they call a jet wash, where they get stuck behind a larger plane, and the air I guess the difference in like air pressure throws the plane behind off if it's smaller. So to get out of it, to get out of the jet wash, the pilots, unannounced, had to flip their plane upside down. And the plane

Sarah Burke  32:20  
was a demo, if you're listening on one of the podcast apps, there's a demo on YouTube of Caitlin with her hands showing us what's happening.

Caitlin Green  32:26  
I'm doing lots of things. Anyways, I was told this while I was with her on a small plane, and I was like, and another out of Anne. For me, I was already

Sarah Burke  32:34  
I'm not really a nervous flyer anyway, like, I'm not a nervous flyer when it comes to heights. I will say that the thing I am the most scared of is like a black diamond ski hill. But I'm not afraid of like airplanes at all. Interesting. I don't know what it's like, something about the speed in the I don't know. Yeah, that

Caitlin Green  32:50  
makes sense, though. I bet statistically, they're much safer than if you were like a novice ski or forced to go down a serious Hill.

Jann Arden  33:03  
One of you guys is doing a holiday dinner, and I think it's you two, because I'm taking you.

Sarah Burke  33:09  
We have our company holiday dinner tonight, and we are not doing Secret Santa. Our gift is the gift of time, and it's great food. We're not doing any of that. We're gonna go back to Lee's and hope that your pants stay the color that they are and dry. What do you mean? Remember the dry

Speaker 1  33:26  
cleaning? Yeah, last time we were there? Yes, yes,

Jann Arden  33:29  
I didn't. It was fine. I like having a drink spilled on me. It reminds me. I'm like, Oh, I can still feel something in my nether regions, and that's very good. We're going early, so you might want to call this sort of the seniors hour, but 530 I like it. We'll probably be out of there at 730 but, yeah, I'm really looking forward to discussing our, you know, our year, how we felt like it went, and what changes we can make. I will give you guys your yearly review. Okay, I thought we would do that together, and you guys can give me my yearly review. Oh, the 360 Yeah, what would, what would be some of the pointers of my yearly review? Like, I'll let you go first. Sarah, like it we're sitting down. We're giving Jan her yearly podcast employee review.

Sarah Burke  34:11  
I think it's just like a simple one of like, let's not leave your microphone in Iceland. That's it. It's really simple. It's really simple. Yeah, and I don't even know if our listeners would catch on to that, because technology has improved so much that, you know, we go, we do have options. We got lots of options,

Jann Arden  34:28  
but it's not it's better for me to have this microphone in my hand.

Sarah Burke  34:31  
We like when you have your microphone. Yeah, we do. Okay. I do.

Jann Arden  34:35  
I do too. I prefer how it sounds. I can take those notes.

Sarah Burke  34:38  
I can What about me? Flip it back.

Jann Arden  34:42  
I think you're fantastic. I couldn't, No, there's nothing that I could say about either of you guys like your person. Could not ask for better teammates and better fly girls and better side women. Yeah, I just feel like the. Luckiest person in the world. And people ask me about you guys all the time, like, what do they like to work with? And I'm saying they're so fantastic, and we have a lot of fun. And you know, what's the podcast about? I say nothing, really. It's not about anything that you need to be concerned about.

Sarah Burke  35:16  
Just show like, what isn't it about? Yeah, what isn't

Jann Arden  35:19  
it about? Thank you so much. I get asked that a lot too. Yeah. Like, what is it about? I know what is any podcast? You definitely have a

Sarah Burke  35:27  
gift right in how active you are in listening. When you interview someone like, you can have a list of questions, but you want to listen and feed off of what the person says. So, no, no, I've learned a lot.

Jann Arden  35:40  
Like, I've listened to a lot of podcasts over the years, and I've just cringed. I'm like, Oh God, Jan, Jesus fucking Christ, let somebody else talk. And why are you pontificating? Why did it take you four minutes to get to an actual question? But I think that I'm learning. I'm learning,

Caitlin Green  35:57  
in your defense, I do think that that's something that people actually really like about podcasts, and so that is a funny place for my brain to go to, because of how many years I spent working in radio where you're fighting for, you know, 10 seconds here and there, and you have this clock staring you in the face all the time. And I actually think that's why people prefer listening to podcasts, honestly now is because they like that. Someone can be a little long winded. They can share something about themselves. They can give some context and then ask a question, but really just mostly have a conversation, because that's what I don't want to listen to somebody just be, like, curated rapid fire. Like, you know, that is just not, I don't know why it doesn't, it's not the way I want to hear things.

Sarah Burke  36:36  
Even like, the editing style, like, for me, has definitely changed over the last, like, you know, three, four years. I wanted to take out every um and every stumble, but now sometimes there's like, the perfect little like interruption that actually leads to the best moment, right? And you want to leave those things in. So even my editing style has definitely changed.

Caitlin Green  36:56  
Yeah, I agree. I did an interview with one of the hosts. I think I mentioned this last week on the show of love the last culture uses podcast. Yeah, Rogers, so this is for a print article that's going to be going out. And the style of the print article is like Interview magazine, where it's just like a you just get a direct transcript. Now you edit it for clarity and you edit it for readability and all that stuff. But even like print wants to just see the back and forth nature of a conversation and his answers to me because we were recording it, you know, virtually just the way we are now, it felt like we were doing a podcast episode. We were we had half an hour to talk, and I was just thinking to myself when I said this to him, I was like, You guys are so gifted on your show of interviewing people, they don't make it feel like an interview. It's just a conversation. You could be talking to Reese Witherspoon or Jennifer Lawrence or whoever, and they get to give these nice, long winded answers versus the late night talk format or the daytime talk show or

Jann Arden  37:47  
question answer, question, answer, question

Sarah Burke  37:49  
answer, yeah, it's very this is, like something that I coach, like new podcasters on. Like, you don't want to have like 16 questions. You really want five, and you want, like, some things that you can think about as like reactions, and then you get into your next question. And like the people who are struggling to stay I have to ask my next question now, are not actually listening.

Caitlin Green  38:08  
They aren't right. I struggled with that big time when I was in radio, and when we I've been on this show, like in the earlier years too, I was so nervous about making it through my list of questions that I wasn't I was missing opportunities in the moment, and when I listen back, I would be like, Why didn't you freaking say this here? Like, respond to the information that they just gave you, instead of going like, yes, okay, great. And so my next question, like, I'm in high school or something, it drove me nuts.

Jann Arden  38:34  
Yeah, it's hard. I've been interviewed enough times to know that a lot of times they never look up, and it's usually younger journalists and some very experienced ones too, that are just kind of mailing it in. They're like, there, I no more want to talk to Jan Arden than put a gun to my head, but they'll have their head down. So tell me about this new record. What was the inspiration? And they're just looking down. They're not listening to my answer. They're waiting for us. Like a lot of times I've been cut off in the middle of, you know, explaining what it was. I've said something that could very much lead into another idea, but it's just negated. So you have to keep in mind that this is so much about listening, and

Sarah Burke  39:12  
there's such a fine line. Like, there are some new podcasters that, like, are obsessed with that, like trying to interject, to add their experience right to what they're talking to the person about, but they are not giving their guest a chance to finish their sentence right, like so it's a very fine line

Jann Arden  39:31  
that you can always learn, yeah, and it's never it's never over. It's a skill.

Caitlin Green  39:36  
It really is, but I do think it does speak to why I think people, ultimately, really are gravitating more and more towards podcasting, and it is what they like, even about like video podcasting, where you just watch it all online and and on social, because I think it's a more natural flow of conversation.

Sarah Burke  39:51  
Yeah, and you can tell, like we don't do too much editing of our YouTube. It's real loosey goosey.

Jann Arden  39:58  
I. So yeah, I know I have to remind myself not to pick my nose or hair out of my chin like I have to remind myself that there's a camera in front of me, so I'm not going. So anyway, yeah, I want to ask you about your your birthday, Caitlin, because you had a karaoke party, yeah? So, yeah, you you had written like everybody loves karaoke, and you have proof. So what? What was that like? Was it fun? How many

Caitlin Green  40:23  
people loves karaoke? I think there were 25 of us in the Jesus Christ, yeah. And I think it was the time you could tell. And I could tell based on the responses that people were ready to get together. You know, sometimes everyone's like, they've been really busy and so they don't want to do anything. It felt like, collectively, our group of friends said, like, No, we don't like to really get together and go for it, so go for it. Everyone did. This was the big I don't think that they knew we rented a price. So it's a private karaoke room. If you're ever looking in Toronto to do a big fun night, go no further than bar Mordecai. It's in the West End. It's on Dundas West and the upstairs is this really cool sort of loungy cocktail bar. It's quite big and beautiful, but downstairs is all private karaoke rooms, and they're themed based on size. Like one, one was Dolly Parton themed, and it's like Jolene and ours was Vegas, and it was like a Vegas lounge. And you can order like, you can order famous tour riders. So like one, Kyle ordered one of the AC DC tour riders, which is a bunch of red stripe beer and, like, chocolates. But we just love that. It was so cool for music fans, like, it's really fun. And you're always wondering, like, okay, like, is everyone gonna kind of be back against the wall, afraid to do karaoke? Absolutely not everyone's saying to the point of losing their voices. All of us lost our voices by the end of the night, the room was 10,000 degrees. People are singing and dancing. Half of the guys in the group took their shirts off, and we're singing shirtless together. And when we left at the end of our like, three hour allotted time, I watched the same bartender who had, like, checked us in, and I could tell he's thinking, like, this is going to be a tame group of 40 year old parents. He is coming in with Lysol wipes. They, I've never left a bar and had them bring in Lysol wipes. That was a first. And I was like, God, guys,

Jann Arden  42:08  
we really did it. Is it because of the topless kind of Yeah, I'm sure.

Caitlin Green  42:12  
I'm sure it's also like, you know, you're touching stuff. It's high touch, sing, whatever. And they're trying to be aware. And again, another great co sign for bar Mordecai is that they're quite clean, but, like, we really went for it. The video footage is something else. And then we went to another bar afterwards, not too far off, called Jean Darlene, and it had a full band playing, and there were karaoke options for people to go up. And it was, like it was very far went off. Yeah. People had a great time, and they loved singing. Someone saying, Good mother, Jan, of course there was a round of good mother. Not easy. Oh no, it's not but like, no one cares if you're like, good

Jann Arden  42:52  
I'm just saying it's a, that's a, that's a, yeah, that's a good choice. It is a good choice,

Caitlin Green  42:55  
because then everyone sings together and then also to the to speak to the like Allen Doyle, Great Big Sea of it all. When I'm up I can't get down. A great choice. And then also, like, lots of like, you know, East Coast stuff, like home for a rest bear its privateers. But also say you'll be there by Spice Girls and gimme, gimme, gimme, Abba. Super trooper was a repeat one. There were two rounds of super trooper.

Sarah Burke  43:19  
Oh, my God, what are your go to karaoke songs?

Jann Arden  43:24  
Me, I don't do karaoke once in Nashville and in Nashville. In Nashville, I sang insensitive. I botched it. Her own waitress told me to keep my day job, and they had it in a weird key. But I think I didn't know that you could pick the key in karaoke now that you can find it. And they had swapped the verses out, like they had the second verse first, and I was terrible singing karaoke, so that was my first and last attempt. Yeah, I'm done.

Caitlin Green  43:51  
Caitlin. I can only, I mean, I like a duet of love shack by the B 50 twos, but I sing the male part because I'm like an alto, yeah? So I sing that part and then, but I also, I did a duet with my best friend Andrea. We did, we just teenage dirt bag. Highly recommend teenage dirt bag. So that was really good. Yeah, those are good. That's the way it is by Celine Dion, all 25 of us saying that together.

Jann Arden  44:18  
It is, oh, yeah, that would be a jam.

Caitlin Green  44:20  
Oh, it was great, yep.

Jann Arden  44:22  
No, I'm gonna try karaoke. I think that'd be good. Thoris loves karaoke. She's an excellent singer, really. What can she she sings better than me? Like, no, excellent. Yeah. I'm telling you, she is. I heard her singing, like, just she was in the shower or something. Just it. I was like, Okay, I don't even want to get involved in this. And I said to her, you have an excellent voice. She goes, Jan. I said, I am not fucking kidding you. I would not I said, I'm not happy about it, like I'm just not happy about what's going on you. Like, you could be a professional singer anyway, that it didn't land the way I thought, like I just felt jealous rage.

Caitlin Green  45:12  
Can't have all these skills at once. Yeah, just give save some for the rest

Sarah Burke  45:16  
of us. I do well with, like, a, like a kind of rappy situation, so that I don't have to worry about pitch gangsters paradise. No, like Rappers Delight. Okay, okay. I'm a love Rapper's Delight. Or, like, like a bust, a move, or even, like a Weezer el score show where it's like, God damn you. Half Japanese girls, you do it to me every time. It's not a lot of singing.

Caitlin Green  45:39  
This is the cutest I really love that. Well, when Thorne is here, we should have a group karaoke party, because you can get, I like a private room, because I don't want to do it in

Jann Arden  45:50  
front of strangers. Oh, no, we need a private room. Yeah, if anything, I'd be singing like the petla Clark downtown. I'd be, I'd be in time. Great choice when you're alone in life is making

Sarah Burke  45:59  
you guys, are we making our tick tock tonight with the four non blondes?

Caitlin Green  46:03  
Yeah. Well, let's do it. Someone tried to turn on bees in the trap because of the combo of the four non blondes with Nicki Minaj is bees in the trap? Yeah. And we tried to turn on bees in the trap. And I was like, we can't do it. It's just too much, too much.

Sarah Burke  46:15  
Jan starts the four non blondes part, and then you and I pop out from behind. I just gain in just like, I can't

Caitlin Green  46:26  
come in hot with, like, bitches, ain't shit. I just start to laugh.

Jann Arden  46:29  
I'm trying doing that in Murdoch Mysteries period piece outfits with our and that was so funny. I just danced. I didn't even they like, Would you do this with us? I'm like, sure. What do I do? Just pop up and dance. So that's all I do.

Caitlin Green  46:45  
We just need Jane Arden to say 100 mother efforts.

Jann Arden  46:48  
Good contribution. Watch any of our podcasts. I'm doing a lot of Mother efforts. Talk about this as our very last thing before we go. Because what we have Voices Podcast be without. I just quickly want to touch on this. And that is the mom, Donnie Trump, meeting of the whole fascist thing. And that's okay, yeah, you can, you can call me that, yeah, yeah. He loves him sitting there. He loves being called a fascist. But he was in there quite nice to the guy did not go the way I thought it was gonna go.

Caitlin Green  47:19  
He loves what I think is happening, I think that he loves a handsome, charismatic winner, and his little lizard brain, the Celebrity Apprentice of it all, is obsessed with the fact that this guy won. He's always a guy like a winner, and he's very like bowled over by somebody who is good looking, which I think Zoran Mamdani is, and he's very charming and smiling and well dressed. And then someone pointed out that after that meeting, Trump had, like a makeover. He was in like a cooler, like knit wear. He did his hair differently after I was like, he was influenced

Sarah Burke  47:57  
a little bit also, he knows what's good for him, being attached to someone like that, who is beloved in you know? So I think

Jann Arden  48:07  
smiles in the clips. I know it's bizarre. So you've called President Trump a fascist, and Trump's like, you can say it.

Caitlin Green  48:14  
You slapping them. Just say yes. I'm like, okay, Trump

Jann Arden  48:19  
doesn't know what fascist means. You you understand that, right, right? Like he really does not know shit. He doesn't know the dictionary in here well. And I also just say acetaminophen. Jesus fucking Christ.

Caitlin Green  48:31  
He can't, he can't wrap his head around ozempic. So he just says the fat shot.

Jann Arden  48:38  
God, too much. Sorry to anyone?

Caitlin Green  48:41  
Yeah, it surprised me. I will say it surprised a lot of people. It was a big trending story over the weekend. I can't tell you how many people sent me various clips of it, and I got a lot too, yeah, cuz I just think it was, it was, it was a surprise. So we'll see how that unfolds. Because, you know, nothing stays the same in politics, so one day everything's great, and the next day, it'll be in the toilet again. But hey, it was a little surprise moment in that Oval Office.

Jann Arden  49:04  
Well, we'll see how it all unfolds. It's, it's, it's just, it's theater watching politics unfold these days. It's absolute. It's just this bizarre other world where they think that, you know, the people have nothing to do with being an elected official to represent the people. They're just living in their own world. They don't even care about their constituents. It's just so great. Marjorie Taylor Greene's resigning now because she just doesn't like the direction the country's going in. Like, what a flip on her. She was so Trump, like, for so long, and now I'm looking at her going, I kind of am agreeing with what she is saying, and I don't know how to feel about that.

Caitlin Green  49:46  
No, it's weird. It's weird time to see him smiling, to see Trump sitting down while mom, Donnie stands next to him, looking up at him smiling, like a kid staring at a Christmas tree, and then to hear him call Marjorie Taylor green a lunatic. And then she resigns, and he calls her resignation a great move for the country. Like up is down. Hamburgers are eating, people, I don't

Jann Arden  50:08  
know, my God. And that leaves us just enough time for some voices.

Sarah Burke  50:12  
We got lots of notes about our life hacks, guys. I feel like we should do a whole episode of Life Hacks. You ready?

Speaker 1  50:17  
God, I'm ready. Here we go. Hi, Jen Caitlin and Sarah loved your podcast about life hacks. As a 74 year old ADHD person challenged, I absolutely 100 agree my keys are in, always in the same spot. My father used to say to me, everything in its place and a place for everything, or was it the other way around, anyway, but the challenge for me now is when my places get filled, and then I have to call and make some more spaces if I Want to put more stuff in it. Christmas in Australia is full on. You take a look. Jump on the internet and see what you can find there. There's lots there. Love your show. Love the bit of Canada that I keep getting from you guys. Bye. Bye for now.

Jann Arden  51:18  
Bye for now. Yes, Australia at Christmas time is really wild because it's in the middle of summer. Santa's got a G string on Santa's Weiner is in a banana boat. That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 2  51:29  
Hey guys, it's Daniel from Toronto. I just actually finished listening to your episode where you guys were discussing ADHD and accomplishing tasks. One of the things that I actually try and do is put the things that I need to accomplish in a list in my phone, and I try not to put more than five or six things in the list, or I know that I'm going to get really frazzled and not going to accomplish the things that I need to get done. And if, for whatever reason that day, I'm feeling really like I want to accomplish more than I know that I'm going to be able to I pick the things that are the most important that need to get done, and and I pare down the list, and it's something that I think probably people would benefit from if they have any type of ADHD or any trouble with tasks anyway. Thank you so much for that episode. I definitely felt seen in many ways, especially with stuff that Sarah was saying, and absolutely

Speaker 3  52:46  
thank you for allowing me to pause and rest. I work a stressful, full time job, and I live a very dysfunctional life that would be a great podcast topic. For so long, I had such a guilt around slowing down, and right now, I'm currently sitting in my room listening to the podcast, planning on journaling in my new reading chair with a new blanket from winners, drinking coffee and then reading and Netflix. I'm 49 and loving the person I'm becoming. Jan, you've given me such hope. Caitlin, you've given me a purpose, and Sarah, you've given me a passion. I'm developing a plan and have made goals and dreams. Life is worth finding your time and your true self and the people you surround your life with are the ones

Sarah Burke  53:37  
from Kelly, thank you, Kelly. Kelly, we love you.

Jann Arden  53:44  
That's what it's all about. Like we say that the podcast is about nothing, but once in a while, we actually and we do talk about our personal lives. We do talk about things that matter to us. We do talk about not getting it right and feeling disorganized and all those things, but thank you for listening and good on.

Sarah Burke  54:02  
You take that me time and make it into something awesome. Oh, God,

Jann Arden  54:06  
Caitlin, you are crying.

Caitlin Green  54:08  
I know, I don't know what it is, but it's like the thought of someone like, really, like sitting down and slowing down and then listening to us and like being like, oh, it's really helped me in some way in my life.

Jann Arden  54:21  
I'll never have Okay.

Sarah Burke  54:25  
Last one, last one.

Speaker 4  54:27  
Here we go. Hi Jan, Sarah and Caitlin. My name is Kathy Christmas and I live in Bath Ontario. First off, I'd like to congratulate all of you on the sixth anniversary of this amazing podcast I've been listening from day one, and I love the path this broadcast is taking, where other podcasts have dropped off the scene. Yours has flourished. And a side note of congrats to Sarah for developing and encompassing the Jan Arden podcast, amen women and media company, thank you for that, Jan. I'd like to let you know. Know how you're saying something good always comes out of something bad. Means to me during the early years of covid, I spent a lot of time walking and listening to your podcasts. I honestly thought the world was ending, but I listened to your words, I held them close to my heart, and I prayed for the best, and thank you for giving myself and many more that much needed hope during a very trying time. Please keep doing what you're doing. Girls, this podcast means so much to so many, and we all really appreciate it. I have a great day.

Sarah Burke  55:34  
Our list, our listeners are the best

Caitlin Green  55:37  
now. We're all crying again.

Jann Arden  55:38  
They just take time to be so thoughtful. I know it little things matter, and I think our community really is fantastic. We love doing this show, like I'll tell you right now. We today, we've taped two podcasts because we were all worried about me going away being with unreliable Wi Fi when I'm on a river somewhere, and we wanted to make sure, and it's very much like she just said, that the content is there when you log on on Friday, that those familiar voices are there. And we know around the holidays, when some people are taking a break, we know a lot of you are by yourselves. We know a lot of you are estranged from family members, or aren't talking to your kids or are going through shit, and we want to make sure that Friday, whether it lands on a fucking Christmas Day, New Year's Day, wherever it lands, that you that we are there, and that we're there for that hour, and that's important to us.

Sarah Burke  56:35  
And on that note, if you want to tell us any of your favorite moments from the show this year, whether we had a guest or not, we are definitely working on some best of stuff for the end of the year, and we would love to play your voices reliving those moments with us. So send in a voice

Jann Arden  56:50  
we could do a whole show like we really would love to base a good majority of the show on your voice notes and just have sparse commentary. Yeah, if we have 20 voice notes that we can play of your favorite moments, play them. And if you have shout outs to people that you Christmas, shout out, yeah, just want to shout out whatever, we would love that as well. So I love these. Thank you for the voice notes, guys. It's awesome. Two have

Sarah Burke  57:15  
made me cry, so that's what I like. And as Jen mentioned, so our special guest next week is actually Alan Doyle, and he's got a new book out. So thank you if you submitted a question, and you can listen for that next week. But one more thing to record for the day, we're gonna pop over to Patreon now.

Caitlin Green  57:31  
Oh, and I want to add to anyone who is considering joining Patreon and, like, loves the podcast so much again. Extra episode every single week, which is nice, but also the community, to the point of, like, the last podcast, the community there, I'm just so blown away by there are only Jan's members who send out handmade bookmarks to other book club members. One of them, one has been sending out, now, handmade Christmas ornaments to one another. They're posting pictures of their trees with the ornaments they're making for each other. Like, it's just rare to find I feel like this kind of community, and it's such like a wonky time for the Internet to just have this nice little corner. It is really special. So again, it's $5 a month. It is not a lot of money. I don't know what the heck you can get for $5 a month.

Jann Arden  58:12  
Can't even get tampons. Ask these, they still got their periods.

Sarah Burke  58:15  
My light tampons were like $14 the other day. You know what?

Jann Arden  58:20  
Absolutely criminal. And do you pay GST and PST on those two or are they exempt?

Caitlin Green  58:25  
I don't know. Might be exempt from one form of tax. I can't entirely sure which one. Yeah, either way, I'm going to start to become a diva cup convert, because it does really run me the wrong way that we're responsible for making people and we're getting charged for

Jann Arden  58:36  
tampons. Yeah, you know, we've made all the people

Caitlin Green  58:38  
screw that look around. Yeah,

Jann Arden  58:42  
anyway, okay, well, listen, you're warm in our hearts, and we're running towards Christmas with our arms open wide. There's lots to talk about and and Christmas traditions, Hanukkah traditions, Kwanzaa traditions, whatever it is that you

Sarah Burke  58:55  
celebrate, won't know what to do about, like, tough stuff. We're here for it, whatever you need.

Jann Arden  58:59  
Yeah, come and join us in Patreon. We want to pick Caitlin's brain a little bit more about her birthday and how it feels to turn 41 two is you 42 but I see you in a light. I see you in a tender, big light of younger light, at least. I didn't say 40 because you, that would have made you 40 for like, four years in a row. I'm gonna

Caitlin Green  59:20  
keep I'm gonna start telling everyone. Though I'm telling you because I don't like saying like these random numbers. I'm just gonna tell everyone I'm 40, until one year I say 50, and then that's it. Can I tell

Jann Arden  59:29  
you my hardest number that I said out loud to myself? What? 55 really? After I got past 55 I went, Ah, screw it. I'm fine. 55 sounded like crazy town to me. Don't know why. Maybe it was the alliteration. Don't know why, maybe five, but now I'm okay. Thank you for being with us. Look after yourselves. We'll see you next time. Totally do.

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