Changing Seasons: A Hair Chop, Playoff Baseball & A New Taylor Swift Era

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Hello and gracious. Good day from Spring bank, Alberta, where it is definitely fall. This is the Jann Arden Podcast. I'm here with Sarah Burke and Caitlin green. I know it's cold because I went out this morning to feed the birds and the water that I leave out for just critters, foxes, birds, squirrels, whoever wants to drink. It was frozen. Yeah. So here we are. Hi guys. How you doing?

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It is the opposite of cold. Here it is positively hot. I went to an event yesterday, and I bought what I thought would be like a nice fall look for the event. And it was like a brown long sleeve, like high neck dress, and I brought I bought brown suede knee high boots, and I couldn't wear the boots. I kept the dress because I was like, I refuse. But I was like, sweating in my Oh,

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yeah, it's so friggin hot right now. When I came home from the cottage, it was 28 degrees in here, because I turn off my air before I leave. I was like,

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What the hell. Wow. 28 degrees. I had friends over yesterday and put away umbrellas. Usually, I can sort of eke out another week here, but I leave tomorrow. It's the very start of my long sort of haul, towards December the 25th which is when I finish this next leg of my life. But, yeah, we put big umbrellas. You know how you have those little covers that go over them to keep them from, you know, blowing off the deck. But it was so depressing.

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Yeah. I mean, we'll be coming up on, I think colder weather soon. I imagine this is sort of like later this week, yeah, yeah, exactly. But I just It's bizarre to have it be this hot and humid, positively, summer, July weather.

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We have to talk about this right out of the bag. You got your hair cut. And yes, it was, it was quite a dramatic change. And I remember when you were here, when we did the live podcast at the National Music Center, we were sitting on my couch, and you were talking about doing AI sort of snapshot photos of what your hair styles could look like. You literally upload a great picture of yourself. You center it in the little circle, and then AI gives you options of how your hair so you had showed me a picture of exactly the haircut you have right now, and I'm telling you there is little or to no visible difference from the AI version of the haircut and the in real life. One. How do you feel about it? Because I know a lot of women, we so much identify with our hair. If we have a good hair day, we start out, we go out the door with our hair has blow dried, right? It looks right. It can really make the difference in how you face the day. And that is just the truth of it. Maybe men are the same, I don't know, but yeah. How do you feel about it?

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I'm so happy with it. I'm so happy I did a big chop, and then I didn't chicken out. My hairdresser is fabulous, and she sort of helped me, like, walk through it, which was great. And I just think I wanted something different, and I wanted something that was sort of like a little more effortlessly, like pulled together. So that's how I felt right away. I was like, if I just put on a whatever shirt, if I just put on a baseball hat, I feel like I'm already kind of more chic and more pulled together. So it's like a lazy it's like a hat. What was

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your get ready process before the chop? Did you have to blow dry every day? Because your hair is naturally straight, right? Yeah, my

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hair is naturally straight, so I didn't have to blow dry. But if I wanted volume or, like, a different look, I would have, okay,

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okay, and Jen, do you have to blow dry every day

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I blow dry, yeah, and I do have natural curl and wave. And sometimes it's really fun, like on a holiday, I really don't have to do anything but wash my hair, flick it around, and head out the door. And I put my hair in a little ponytail all the time too. But I don't know if you noticed, but I chopped just like an inch off. Caitlin, my hairdresser was just like, it's fried at the ends, but, but I do, I do want to grow it out a bit more, but I'm happy that I got rid of the crappy ends, because I dye my hair right?

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That's what was happening to me, too. I felt very pulled down by it, and I was overwhelmed, because my hairdresser, she was taking some photos and videos while I was having my hair done, and then she posted a little carousel of it and said, Can I tag you in it. So I was like, okay, so she did. And then it's like, a collab post, so winds up on your page. Anyways, I just get the nicest comments from people. Then I start getting DMS from women who are saying, I'm gonna cut my hair. Then they send me the photos after they cut their hair. Then they're like, asking me, what in my DMs, like, What hair inspo did you have? Can you send me your hair inspo pick? Then my hairdresser messages me and says she's had five requests for appointments for her. So I do really think everyone's feeling like, Oh yeah, I'm ready to cut I think there's a lot of people who are like, I'm ready to cut my hair. And I went to this event last night, and so many women I know in media who were at the event were like, well, now I have to cut my hair. I think it's something in the air. It's the fall changeover. Is

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it like a personal changeover too, because I think you said something about, I'm ushering in a new season, like her chapter.

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That was her caption. Okay, okay, yeah. So she captioned it like my hairdresser is very, sort of, like, thoughtful about hair and, like, looks and beauty. So she really does think about things like that and like she becomes esoteric about what this could have deeper meanings. But yeah, I mean, I was ready for. Refresh. I was ready for, like, a little update. I needed to buy some new clothes. I wanted to, like, do a few things for myself. So yeah, and I'm all for ushering in a new era, and fall is the right time for it. So I'm into it.

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Anything that you can make your life easier. I'm all for it, even if I'm doing my hair up for an event, I have this little wand that I've had for your hair is getting so long, Sarah, if you're watching on YouTube, Sarah's hair is, you know, pretty much that halfway down her back. It's past her shoulder blades. But you look great. You have healthy, thick hair. You you have one of those ponytails that has some, you know, width and girth to it. I hate the name girl. I hate the word girth, but I just, you know, if I put my hair in a ponytail, it's quite slight. It's like, you know, the size of my thumb. It's not, I don't have thick hair. I have a lot of fine hair. But anyway, yeah, it's, it's nice to have it easy. It literally takes me 15 minutes. Oh yeah, I can be ready. I can be ready for a show. I'm not kidding you, in 25 minutes, even if it's like a speaking engagement or for the stage, that's how fast I can do my makeup. And people might say, Well, yeah, it looks like it, because you look like shit. So maybe, maybe take 35 Well, you know how people can be. It's like, Yeah, well, huh. But for me, I cannot spend a lot of time in front, getting getting ready. I just don't want to do

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that. I used to be so bad. I used to take like, two hours to get ready. I used to iron my hair with like, a iron, iron. Back in the day, oh my gosh, really. Like, you know, on a table, I would basically roll up a towel around one arm and then the iron would be in the other arm, so you would, like, smooth it down. And that was when I was in high school. That was the thing all the girls were doing it. But anyway, yeah, like, I'm also, like, you now I can get I can get ready, head to toe in full glam in 25 minutes.

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Now that's a nice feeling I found when I got out of the shower. I was like, Ooh, and like, right away, it was so that out of the shower feeling is so great. And Jan, I've seen you get ready, and you are very fast when we were getting ready for our event, you, Jan, pulls together a good eye look quickly, I think. And, but you had your hair kind of back, like, pulled back a bit for the event. And I really, like, yes, too. So cute. Looks really cute. And I love your green suit.

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I'm taking it with me. You want to do my speaking engagement I have I'm speaking to a bunch of teachers on Friday morning. And I just thought I really liked it. I like the feel of it's like a green, Sage pantsuit, good fall color, and I just wore, I wore it with a black shirt, and I did the half tuck. And Caitlin said, Oh, you're doing the half tuck. I just got in a magazine where you tuck one little piece in the front and then you leave the other one out, which kind of looks cool. But I when you feel good in clothes, don't you guys agree it's nothing particularly fancy. It is. I forget what the brand name is. I think it's theory. Yeah, the suit is a theory, and I've had it for a long time, and to be honest, I didn't fit into it, yeah, and it was just kind of tight, and I couldn't get the pants done up, and I can wear it now, yay. Give me two months. I probably won't be able to wear it again, like, who knows, but it's just casual enough and dressy enough to feel like you can transition from like I have to go to a meeting at my office. I'm not going to go to the hotel and change. No, I'm literally going to take the jacket off and just go in those slacks and a shirt. So between cutting my hair a little bit, being able to save some time, and I can't tell our listeners how important it is to just feel good about what you're wearing and how you look and don't worry about it's so weird. We always ask our girlfriends, what do you this is what I'm gonna wear? What do you think like? Do we really care what they think like? Sometimes I don't care. Let's talk about that for a second, because we always do that with each other. Yeah, should I wear this? Should I, you know, if you're if you're in a group, I

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remember doing that when we were getting ready for the fall show in Toronto last year, like, you know, Caitlin. I was like, should I wear this or this? And then Caitlin gave me her lipstick, and was like, oh, try this. Women always do that. And we're acknowledging the body image stuff that we all inherently have because of society. But then at the same time, we're picking each other up, lifting each other up with like, a

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Hey, that looks really good. So the same way that I Jan, I was showing you my AI haircut. I want you to do that for me. I was gonna say, so I did this for so many other girlfriends. So they sent it to me. I put it through my app, and then I would send it back to them. And they were like, oh, I should have bangs or whatever. So I did that for most of my girlfriends. And I also find that I do that with my when I go shopping. So I'll send if I want to buy something, I'll sort of do a survey, and I go to my harshest, most fashion forward friends I cannot, like my sweetest, best girlfriends. I can't ask them, because they're so lovely that they'll be like, yes, you look amazing in everything that I need. Like my cutting fashion friends to say, this is not worth the money. This makes your hips look big. This you need to be showing off your waist. You need this or that. Like, they'll all tell me. I ask my gay male friends a lot too. I really do.

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I think that's a go to like, if you have a gay friend, usually they're pretty on point. As far as what looks good like, I always trust. Chris, my you guys have heard me talk about him a million times. He's been my road manager for 21 years, but if I'm wearing something, I'll say this or that these shoes are that shoe like I always walk out into the hotel room or the venue with this one shoe on and this other fucking shoe on. It's a different heel, and he always picks the one that I'm not sure about. I'm telling you every time, like, I would have always, like, nine out of 10 times gone with the one he didn't pick, really, and he's like, yeah, oh. And I'm just like, Jesus, no wonder I need to ask him, because it obviously looks better. And Chris has done my clothes a lot over the years. He has, like, he will go with me, and he will pull at sacks. He will pull at home and through. He will go through. And I'm like, I can't wear that. Chris. He goes, Yes, you can. You can't wear it. You need that pop of color. Like, yeah, he's one of those guys. I mean, he does the staging on the tour. Like, that's all Chris. He works with the lighting director, like, over the years to remember this young guy coming from Lloyd Minster, a farm guy that went to the University of Edmonton and took, like, all these different like, things. He took a law degree and blah, blah, blah, I'm sorry, Chris. I'm doing you no justice at all. Of what I took, he worked very hard for four years in university, and then he's been, you know, working with me since, you know, the early 2000s and he is fucking artistic. So Say what you will. He's got such a sense about him of what looks

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good. When you were on tour for your mixtape tour, he was like, bejeweling jackets, I'm

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telling you, with a glue gun. Yes, making things. Yeah. He was doing all sorts of things. He's like, No, that jacket needs something on the front. It needs this or that. So he's really good that way. That's what

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you need. You need someone who is not nice, but they're precise, they are very and I've had friends ask me to go shopping with them, because I can be that same way. And I take such joy in finding clothes for people and in finding looks for people that make them feel confident if they have a date or if they're going on a trip, like I truly live to shop with my friends, and I will run around a mall and pick stuff out for them and say, this looks good, or do the pop of color thing. Oh, you do. I hate them all, like

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I need someone to hold my hand and be like, we're going here, then here, then here, and that's it. But

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Caitlin's saying she's that girl I

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live for a mall. A whole day at the mall where I don't even sit down and have a meal. I just walk around with various beverages and, like, maybe get a pastry. I just want a giant Starbucks drink and then an orange juice and then a smoothie. Like, I do not want to stop. I want to hit when the stores open and leave at, like, 4pm

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I bet you a lot of people in this area, like in you know, Toronto area, are used to that idea of like, oh, let's go shopping in Buffalo, right? Like, when the dollar was in a different place, you know, we used to go across the border. I bet you a lot of people in this area, like, in you know, Toronto area, are used to that idea of like, oh, let's go shopping in Buffalo, right? Like when the dollar was in a different place, you know, we used to go across the border. That's when I remember enjoying shopping when I was younger, when we didn't have, like, American Eagle and Abercrombie and all those brands in Canada yet. So you would go over the border Old Navy, even before Old Navy, Tory secret, yes, yes. And so that wasn't a you guys, that was a big thrill back in the day. But you think about it, and you're still like, I mean, I was in grade eight when I enjoyed that stuff. I don't know what happened over the years, but now, like, yeah, I would rather order online and return everything, even if it doesn't fit, like I don't,

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yeah. I mean, for convenience, for sure, the dress that I just wore to this event, I ordered online, and it worked out perfectly. But there is just something to being in a store and like feeling the weight of the fabric. And I'll look and be like, is this double stitch? This part should be double stitched? Is this look

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for a double stitch. Sarah, you and I both. I'm like, What's a ham? What do you mean sleeve? What do you mean empire? What are you talking about?

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Yeah, yeah, I just like it. I've always liked it. I've always loved shopping. And so, yeah, I love, like, appearances for things. And I agree with you, Jan, when you feel good, yes, feel confident, you walk taller, you're you're just like, I don't know, you're more yourself

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before our event. Like, I did enjoy pulling some stuff from my closet that I was gonna pack, right? Like, I had brought my suitcase up, but this shingles thing came out of nowhere and hit fast, but I had brought the suitcase up, and I was like, starting to put things in it. And like, you know, the suit jacket thing that you're talking about, right? Even the vest. The vest has been very hot, and I was so excited to wear some of that stuff. So now I'm like, should I wear that to the vet today? Just because I'm leaving the house? Like, I don't know, I just didn't get to wear anything.

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Why not? That's the other thing, too. I don't think we have to be quite so fastidious about where we're close suit. Like, if you want to wear it to the vet, wear it to the vet like if you want to get dressed up to go anywhere. And I know I haven't talked about thortis for it's, it's been 16 minutes and 37 seconds. She dresses like, I'll be like, when I first met her, I'm like, where do you have something today, where you're going? No, I'm she just. Yeah, the way she dresses is so interesting. I don't know if it's an Icelandic thing, but she's got, like, sparkles and leather and belts and harnesses and hats and vests and, like, I just, I'm literally in jeans with no underpants and a T shirt with a bra that should be thrown in the garbage, clearly, because the strap doesn't fucking work anymore, and I've got it stapled like I have a bra that I'm still wearing that I stapled. So judge me all you want. I like it. It's a wonder bra. So wonder bra.

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Can you hear me? We need to get you I do. By the sounds, I blew a strap,

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I stapled it. I can't stop wearing it. It's my it's my favorite t shirt, bra. I am going to buy another one anyway. All this to say, I don't say anymore. Like she looks like she's ready to go somewhere, but it's just how she dresses so and she always gets comments, like, whenever I go anywhere with her, they're like, Oh, I love what you're wearing. Yeah, I don't, I don't get that. I'm like, I'm sorry. You're gonna have to leave the store. We don't allow ripped jeans in here.

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Your green suit. Did get compliments. I got DMS about it. I had women asking me where it was from, and even Bruce your manager, when you walked in, he said, You look really good. That shirt looks great with it because you paired it with not like a white cotton shirt, but with a black silky number that had kind of statement cuffs on it that you pulled through. So as much as you make fun of you're like, I don't care. You know how to dress yourself when you want to pull it together and turn it together and turn it on, you really

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nail it. Thank you very much. But I know what I like, and I know I'm quite ambiguous and I'm sort of androgynous, but I really like being girly too. Like, I've had this conversations with friends. I was that kid growing up that I was running around with my BB gun, you know, firing cans off of a fence. But when my mother gave me a makeup kit from like rollco or Walmart or whatever, those big palettes, I'd open at Christmas day, and I'd be, please be makeup, please be makeup, and I'd have the eye shadows and the little brushes for all the lipsticks. So I was such a contradiction to myself, because I was running around with a braid down my back with blue eyeshadow and trying to put eyeliner BB gun. I loved it, and a BB gun. So I feel like I had a mom that just recognized, God love her, how to let a person be themselves.

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There's a great question, if you want to send us in a voice note. What are you thinking about when you get dressed in the morning and who, who has sort of like inspired you to just be yourself?

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Yeah, yeah. I don't know if we have voice notes today. I'm sure we will by the end of the show, but yes, the voice notes are rare. Has got some stuff anyway. I'm glad we were talking about that, because we do, we do rely on our friends and our friends and our gay friends and our girlfriends and our, you know, sisters to whatever. If you don't have sisters, Caitlin and I don't have sisters, we've just got, like, don't give in my case, incarcerated brothers. But I think it is important to feel good in what you're wearing and, oh yeah, if you want to go cut your hair. Please go to Caitlin's Instagram page. Maybe she can walk you through, or send her a DM, because she can walk you through where to hook up to that AI hair app. And maybe we can even put it in the show notes, because I think it's really helped Caitlin, I'm telling you, what she showed me here in my house is exactly what is on her head now. So AI nailed

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it. It did, and all my friends sent it to me. So it's like a little makeover service. And if there's one good use for AI, I think this is it, practice your haircuts.

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Well, isn't there things with eyeglasses as well? Some of those online stores for glasses I wear that they do take the picture and then they can insert frames on your head so you can get an idea of what they look like anyway. Moving on, and we've been doing this lately, I want to ask you guys things that are making you feel good this week. I kind of feel like with Sarah's t shirt, I know where this might be going, yeah. But, but yeah. Go ahead, Sarah. We'll start with you things that are making you feel

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good this week. No Toronto Blue Jays crushing. At this time of recording, we're just ahead of game three, but by the weekend, I'm cheering for them to just finish it in New York on Yankees turf. But at the same time, dad will probably take me to game five if it comes back home. So I'm like, Oh, I don't know what I want to happen right now. So yeah, I so much joy, and I love watching these games with my parents. There were so long where I did not live in the same city or town as them my whole radio career in London and Kingston, and so it was. It's so nice to be able to be like, okay, game time at four. Let's walk the dogs. Let's get the snack set right. Like it's such a thing. And in my household, my dad has had seasons tickets from his father's company. They used to live beside a home in, like, North York, where a bunch of the Toronto Blue Jays were all living together at the start of, like exhibition stadium, like before the team was big, so it's been in the family for a really long time, and he just got rid of those seats, like a year ago. So we have some access through friends and stuff. But I grew up behind first

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base, and I also have loved I mean, obviously. Like watching the team perform so well, yes. But then the the most recent game where our pitcher, You savage, where he had his parents in the audience. And he is a 22 year old kid who, you know, his parents are watching him. The cameras cutting out. You know, reporters are going into the stands to talk to them. His brother's there to strike out after strikeout after strikeout. Was it 11 strikeouts? Now I think they pulled him too early. That's just me sports. I'm a sports Luddite, so I don't know what the methodology is there, but it seems dumb to me. But I just watched it, and I was so emotional. And then will was watching it with Kyle and I at home for the second game, the first game against the Yankees, we went to a nearby sports bar with some friends, and will came with us, and everyone's cheering. There are kids there. It was great. And then when we were watching it at home, will goes and gets his baseball glove. He has a little baseball glove. He's throwing a ball back and forth with us. He's saying, yay, home run, yay, strike them out. Like watching him enjoy. It is just so, cute. So that was really, I think it was uplifting. Is your moment? A sports moment? This is a sports a rare sports moment for me. It happens every once in a while. But I was a huge baseball fan as a kid. Yeah, I grew up because, like, you know, the the 9293 World Series was, like, formative, you know, I'm like, 910, years old. Baseball is one of the only things I played, like softball. Yeah, I would go to batting cages. I loved it. So I this is really easy for me to access excitement for this particular sport. Did

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I tell you guys? We won our entire I did not know that. Sarah, I know we've talked about your ball League. That is congratulations. That is fantastic. And did the grumpy umpire? Was he also there for these that last

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game? He wasn't but poetic ending. After everything we went through correct agreed,

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yes, that he wasn't there. Listen, sports are big. I know, growing up for kid, it was based on, I like the Oakland A's. I don't know why. It was probably because my dad watched the Oakland A's, but we had three channels. It was a black and white television. I'm slightly older than you girls, but it was big in our family. I just remember the cheese balls and the crackers that came out, and the cheese and the and the little gherkin pickles and the olives, like, it was a really special time. And then, when I was your age, Caitlin, like, 40s, I mean, I was so crazy about the Montreal Canadiens. Oh my gosh. And I don't know why, I just loved the Montreal Canadiens. And we, of course, we had the Calgary Flames here. And I was just like, better never, ever mention that. I think are important. I think they're unbelievably important for kids. I would be remiss not to bring up the Canadian Women's rug. Oh

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yes, they made it so far. The

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Amazing, amazing journey that they made to get into the finals. I mean, they beat New Zealand. New Zealand is one of the best women's rugby teams in the world, and if you weren't following along, I highly recommend that you get your head into the game and start following women's professional sports. They are on fire. The Hockey League, the basketball league, they're doing unprecedented things, and they're just, they're making money, they're filling stadiums, and talk about League of Their Own. I mean, shit is happening. Yeah.

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Did you guys see Rosie O'Donnell was doing a live yesterday. I think she's somewhere in Australia, and she was talking about how she's on Manjaro, and how she lost weight, and she's like, I'm the same size right now as a league of their own. I love that movie so much.

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Gosh, I love that movie that was so good. Well, when that

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is a watch again, film for sure.

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Like, I want to watch it like, right now. Like, I'm crazy. That

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would be a great timely watch, considering the Jays in the playoffs right now. And also, I will say that the announcers were quoting so much for no crying in baseball while the game was on, because they kept panning over to trace Savage's parents, and then everyone's getting emotional so and the cheers for him when he went off the field like it was just, it was really, it honestly, was quite uplifting. And not just for Toronto, but like all of Canada, because the Jays are like, it's Canada's team.

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What is hilarious about baseball and crying is that, like, I'm the least likely person to cry. I don't cry a lot, and like there's something about when people do things collectively, like singing the national anthem, I will just be sobbing. I don't know what. I can't handle the energy. It's like, so emotional for me. I

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agree. Don't look at me during a parade. Don't look at me during a children's choir, a protest, if there's a protest of any kind, like people coming together in any way reduces me to a pile of mush, but I cry easily.

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Does so is that your, are we going with your good things of the week? Yeah, it's baseball related.

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Baseball doesn't have to be baseball for you. Jen, what do you Okay, well, sports

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in general, no, you know what? When you have a team in your let's say country like obviously, the Blue Jays are Canada's only major league team. So it's important for even us here in the prairies, trust me, we are cheering them on. There's a lot of excitement here. You see a lot of blue jays T shirts and hats. So that is happening. There's a real Canadian thing I can only imagine. What it's like in Toronto. But yeah, sports are important. They really are. They just gather people together. And I'm with you, Caitlin, my God, if I just see anything like a profile on a single mom that has her son and a ball team, and they do like a little two minute piece on the Super Bowl and and it's the mom and the kid and driving him to games. I am done. I'm just bawling. My head off. Wait, what was yours? Mine? I've got so many fun things going on this week, when my mom and dad passed away, I moved the house. Everybody knows that what was left was some outbuildings with gardening stuff in it a gazebo. And then there was a two story shop that's about 850 square feet, and it was his wood shop. He was a big wood guy. And anyway, I've hired Tiffany Pratt. She's here now, and she is doing like a gorilla warfare decorating overhaul of the shop. She has taken me to, like Habitat for Humanity. Furniture stores where all the proceeds obviously go to Habitat for Humanity. We bought almost all the furniture that she wants to use. It's all retro. She got a couch that's normally $7,500 for $40 Wow, because they don't know sometimes the restore people don't know what shows up there, but the whole place is furnished. It's all in there. It's going to be under plastic wrap, because painting has to happen. We went to a wall, walls alive. Shout out to walls alive. We got, I don't know, 60 wallpaper samples that cost us $110 she's ripping these things apart, these samples, and doing a tapestry of all these different wallpaper patterns. Wow, it's gonna look so amazing. But yeah, she's just out there right now with her measuring tape. She's doing paint swaths, and she's got all these partnerships with people, and we're going to be doing like a Tiktok story, an Instagram story. So you'll have to watch for that. Maybe

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she'll join us on Patreon for a little sneaky

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peaky, yeah, the old viewer, the old Arden diner sign, has been sitting out in the bush for years. I used to have a diner with my little brother. She's using that to nail up on the side of dad's shop. She's gonna paint the exterior of it anyways. It's been really fun. That's been a really joyful thing is to be around somebody like her, who is one of the most loving, positive, altruistic people I've ever met in my life, like having her stay here at the house has just been it's we have laughed until we've cried, and the way people respond to her going down the street with Tiffany Pratt, is we should be with a camera crew. I agree. People are attracted to her like children are attracted to somebody with a big thing of helium balloons. They see her. Do you know what I mean that? Totally, yeah. Oh yes. They cannot not say anything to Tiffany, even through the screens, Oh, I love her. I stand to the side. I just patiently wait for people to greet her, take her in, comment on what she's wearing, comment on her beauty, her hair. I went, I went into a jewelry store Cynthia Lloyd, we she wanted to buy a ring for herself. And so I took her to my favorite jewelry store. And so I brought her in, and there was a young girl helping us do that. And then a couple days later, the walls alive. Place was right across the street. So Tiffany came into the jewelry store with me and just looked at all their cool stuff. And it was the same girl, and she looks at me, she goes, you bring so many beautiful women. And we both just laughed. And I'm like, Hey, I know some good looking broads. You know I'm saying I know some good looking people.

28:49  
Suddenly, chance from is that New York or Boston?

28:52  
I don't know. It's the Bronx. It could be left bridge. It could be,

28:54  
don't be cheering for the Yankees. For the

28:57  
Yankees. Anyway, that's been my bit of happy joy for the week. Love it is just having her here and making something good at a dad's shop. And she's, you know, paying homage to him, and it's lots of different kinds of wood, and how this thing is going to turn out will be done in the spring. So it's going to be a slow burn over the winter. Just there's some built in stuff that she wants, and she's enlisted all my friends and, oh, my God, they're gonna fucking kill me. She's like, they can do it. He can build that. Theresa's husband. I'm like, I was gonna say she's talking about, I'm obviously gonna pay them. But, you know, wow, this is a retired guy, and she's putting him to task.

29:34  
But they're handy, and when I was there just cleaning it out, they want to help. Like, I love when you see someone all of a sudden spring into action and, like, feel useful. And these two guys were like, what else can we throw out? What else can we put in this dumpster? Like, let's go. And it is incredibly satisfying. I can't wait to see the makeover she does on this place, because I remember it being completely empty, but it has a great vibe, and it is spacious. And. And are you still thinking of painting the exterior red?

30:02  
She wants to go dark dark gray. Okay, very different. And I would never thought that from her. Yeah, she wants to go dark gray, and she wants to hand paint around the doors and the windows in Tiffany Pratt style. Her ideas are otherworldly. I just can't believe how intuitive she is and and it's that's not my thing. I'm not visual. I can't do that. I am literally going, Yeah, me too. So like she said, You are the easiest person to work with, Jan, because you're so open to things. I don't I don't fold my arms in front of my chest and act like I know everything. I'm just like, whatever. Yeah, let's do that cool. Yeah, I think my mom would like that. That's fantastic. I

30:47  
was shopping with her. That sounds like such a fun weekend, Cynthia. Like, you're like, I'm going jewelry shopping here, and then she's gonna go into this cool wallpaper store. Yeah, I want to go.

30:56  
Well, having her and Cynthia here this week. You know, Cynthia and I were talking about that we've known each other for like 12 years, like 13 years, going into 13 years, because I met her on Season One of the social we met on the social, and I remember her saying to me, do you want to go for a drink or something? I was just finishing up my drinking life, so I did go with a drink for her across the street and and she's one of those people. We've been friends ever since, and having her here, and just sitting and talking and going. We sat in the pool, and we just sat out there for like 90 minutes, and the steam was coming off the pool, and we just watched the birds, and it was good for both of us just to catch up. There's something about quiet conversations when you really connect with people you know, don't forget to take time for that in your life, to take time to sit with a friend and talk about things, and sometimes you can just sit there and say nothing. It's really important. It's important to have those touchstones in your life, and it's important to take time for friendships. You know, even in our busy, busy worlds, she's busy all the time, but we just stopped. She was here for three days and and she loves shopping too. Caitlin, we were like, going to, you guys have a spoochie in Toronto as well. And the one here is really fun. I always find T shirts. But anyway,

32:10  
it's like a nice consignment store, okay, yeah, it's designer

32:13  
consignment. Like, I've taken stuff there before, and they're like, I'll take them 30 things. They'll take three of them. Okay, well, I feel kind of like this stuff is shit. Anyway. Moving on. I can't not talk about show girl, Taylor Swift. Show girl, approaching 4 million sales, unheard of in today's industry. I'm gonna hand this over to you, Caitlin. I know so little about what's going on. Have you listened? Has anyone listened? I haven't heard the record. I haven't heard it yet. I listened You sound very drab.

32:44  
So like, just remember, I have not really been a Taylor Swift Fan. I did really enjoy folklore because it had the indie rock vibes to it. But I'm just not a Taylor Swift person in general. Respect, what she does, understand it, get it. Think she's amazing, but yeah, like, I was immediately trying to figure out what every song sounded like, because there was a lot of that, I will say, like,

33:07  
you felt it was familiar. I

33:08  
was like, Oh, this sounds like, Lana Del Rey. Oh, this sound, you know? Like, I think that's the production too,

33:13  
yeah, and I do this same producer, well, I mean, like, there,

33:17  
she's working with big producers, so I think it was Max Martin and shellback produced this for her. And they do a lot of pop songs, so I think there was some, there were some sounds that definitely felt like familiar, I would say, Yeah. And also, Taylor has a similar sound like because she's influenced so many younger pop stars. So then you have, like, the song that she does with Sabrina Carpenter, which I really like. And I was like, oh, yeah, these two are so complimentary. And Sabrina carpenter open for her on tour. So yeah, like, there's lots of, like, I don't know there's, there's lots of there's a, I'm also not a Swifty. Again, I respect her presence. Yeah, music. I think she's incredibly inspiring and accomplished and a formidable businesswoman, for sure. But again, it's just not music that I necessarily turn on in my day to day. But I love the song wish list. I like the fate of Ophelia and I like the Sabrina carpenter duo, the life of a show girl. Those are the three tracks for me that I really enjoyed. Then there's a song called wood that I think might be the worst song ever written. Tell us

34:22  
how you really feel. And it is about, is it W O, U, L, D, or wood as in plywood?

34:29  
No, it's wood as in W O, O, D, and it is a tongue in cheek, cheek reference to the size of Travis kelsey's nether regions.

34:39  
Oh, are you serious? Yes, it's about a penis. Yes,

34:45  
his masterful magic, about his wood, about his redwood tree trunk like appendage. Apparently, this is what she's alluding to.

34:55  
We're gonna have to clip Jan's face right now

34:59  
and ask. Then maybe we can play our song on the show. But

35:02  
anyways, whatever, whatever, blows your skirt up. I guess, literally, it's funny watching artists move forward in their careers. You know, you think about, I'm just going to use Sean Cassidy and David Cassidy is an example. So this is weird, but these are guys that were known for the Partridge Family and, you know, teen idols. You remember tagger beat that must have been on the on the edge of your childhood, got a magazine. It was, it was you do the fold outs, and you'd have Robbie Benson or Garrett, or, you know, these, these teen guys in your day, it would have been the Backstreet Boys and New Kids on the Block. And you would it would be whole magazines dedicated to these young boys and girls. Not, not so much, but it was, this was catering to young teenage girls who were hormonal, who were crazy about these guys. So anyway, my point is, David Cassidy. Sean Cassidy brothers, they would play stadiums. They would play to 80,000 people, 15 years forward. Obscurity would be hard to play them all. So I'm just saying. I know it seems like an improbable, impossible scenario to look at artists like Lady Gaga, like Taylor Cold Play, you know, these guys that can go in and play for 80,000 people repeatedly, all over the world, I mean, and I want your opinion about this, but you see it time and time and time again, of these stadium acts that really, after a day two decades, I'm going to say 15 to 20 years, would be hard pressed to get 5000 people to stand in front of them. So what are your thoughts about you know what I mean? You're saying that maybe Taylor is making a few missteps that this record is not hitting.

36:59  
Well, I'm not in the like discourse of Taylor Swift in the same way as her fans, so I don't know that I'm like the expert on that same I know it hasn't landed great for everybody. I certainly don't under like the people who are really roasting it. I kind of don't understand that. I don't think it's I don't think it's a bad album. And I also have thought that she does really straddle both worlds between very, you know, heady lyrics, very intense, emotional lyrics, and also, just like a flat out, you know, pop song, she really does both. So I don't think it's surprising to me that she has songs on here that are very fluffy and that people think are superfluous and aren't landing so. But I'm also like, isn't that kind of what she always has done a bit of, I mean, she takes, apparently, there's some alleged jabs at Charlie XCX, maybe one at Travis kelsey's ex girlfriend. So that piece of it, people were also kind of making fun of, and I was like, but she's also taken on Kanye and Kim Kardashian. So like, I don't know. I don't think this is breaking the mold for Taylor. I just really didn't like that one song. That one song was like, I was, I listened to the whole album, front to back. I'll listen to it today. I'll listen. I was like, I don't, I mean, look it, everyone can have a sexy song. I've got no problems with like, a sexy forward song. Like I listened to, I've grown up listening to female hip hop artists, like I grew up listening to Lil Kim. This is not like, offending me, yeah. I just was like, it was a bit like, there's

38:23  
two things, two things in the Taylor Swift sort of sphere right now that I want to comment on. So the first thing is, maybe it's an act of rebellion, like she's known as a songwriter, right? First and foremost. So maybe the rebellion here is, I just want to put out what I felt like doing in the moment, and don't read the fucking right, so you should, yeah, so that's one thing. And just to, like, piggyback off what you were saying, Caitlin, you know, exactly the people who are roasting her, it's like, come on. Like, this is not this album may not be your favorite, but like, it doesn't deserve to be, like, told that it's rotten. You know, yeah, I agree. I think that. I think that, yeah, it makes sense. Other thing I saw her doing an interview. Like, she's definitely, is it this week she's doing three late night shows I haven't been watching, but like, she's definitely in the interview circuit right now. And I saw one clip from like, a, I think it was a UK radio station where she was in the studio with them, and she said, this is the first album that was written about my feelings in real time that I still have today, whereas everything else that I've put out, you know, it's like two years after, and I'm not necessarily in that phase when the album comes out anymore. She's still in love, and in that phase now she was saying, so that's just an interesting take on, like she's just writing from the heart. And maybe, you know, the care freeness of her life right now, being in a good relationship, and, you know, all of that is part of it.

39:40  
So her song wish list is very loving towards Travis Kelsey, and I did like it. So yeah, she's got some good stuff on there too. Yeah.

39:46  
So there's my 17 albums out. So I've got more albums out than Taylor Swift. I'm much older than her, but I have written some terrible songs. Yeah, I have a song off one album I can't even tell you. What it is. I couldn't even sit here and name all my records. Couldn't do it. I could sit here for a month of Sundays. I could not write down album titles. I would never be able to do it. I'm not kidding you, but there's a song called I only wanted sex, and it is. It's a terrible song. I can't remember who I wrote it about. I would have to think about that, maybe the red wine guy, but I'm just saying there is there. There is songs. Thank you, Caitlin, or whatever your name is, Sarah, thank you for that. But yeah, I've written, I've written terrible songs. I listened to them, and there's an enormous amount of discomfort when I go back through catalog stuff, or when I hear it, I'm like, God, what was I thinking? And, you know, I think an artist can write not every cut is meant to sort of be a single, yeah, and meant to be treated in a way that this is a pop Smash, yeah? I think it's a relief for an artist to do something novel. And I would like to think that that was tongue in cheek and meant to be kind of funny. Oh yeah. And you know, when you're in love with someone, there's just, you know, obviously sensuality. Are you writing a new album, June? Not right the second, but you know, I will you guys. I'm sure, I'm sure I'm sure I'm going to be very inspired, yeah, by a certain someone. But, I mean, I've always written about relationships and unrequited love and falling in and out of love, and so I don't think that my style is going to change. Yeah, you know, I'm not going to become a hip hop artist,

41:37  
hip hop artist, and it's inspired by Thornes.

41:42  
Haha, Sarah. Found that very funny. I would listen to that I couldn't do rap if my life depended on it. Okay, so that's Taylor Swift. I don't know if I even want to touch this, but I want to know about the Robin Williams AI video stuff, but we've kind of talked about AI today, so I sort of wanted to book in this podcast with something really great, which is finding your hairstyle or a new pair of glasses. And now there's some, you know, pretty appalling, disappointing, posthumous AI videos, yeah, that were apparently put out by his daughter.

42:22  
No, his daughter is asking for fans to stop sending them to her. Oh, sorry. Okay, and so they're tagging her in these AI videos that they're creating, and they're claiming, you know that they're doing it because they're fans of his and but it's sort of, it's like, it's really treading the line of, like, bringing up someone's dead relative and trying to make them like, Look alive again. And there's also a lot of discussion happening right now about the trauma and the unhealthy effect on people's brains when you physically like, when you create a physical representation of somebody who has passed on and make a video of them when they're alive again. And psychologists are really, really advising against doing this, because to take away the permanency of death in your own mind, it's a very risky game to play. It's a type of, it's just, it's deeply unnerving to me, and it feels energetically very, very bad. It feels like, when you you know, you think of like Aladdin with the genie, and he's like, I'm not bringing back dead people. I'm like, leave them there. So she is saying, please stop doing this, like, please stop sending me and tagging me videos you're creating of my dad as if he was alive. Yeah. And maybe some people thought they were doing it harmlessly. I don't know, but it's, it is a piece of AI, which is this ever changing break neck pace, form of technology that makes me very uncomfortable, and I'm happy that she said something and said, Stop doing this, because I don't think it's a good

43:47  
idea. I can't imagine the pain of getting a clip that shows your dad, your deceased dad, he's been gone 11 years. He died in 2014 from suicide. Post Mortem, they say he was beginning down the road of dementia, and he also had Parkinson's, both things I'm sure he was very aware of and and he did his own version of made. Do you know what I mean? He was just like, I'm out. I'm not living like this. But if I someone sent me something of mum that they stole it from a photograph with MIDI, I'd be really upset. Like, even if my little dog came to life again and talking to mom, having a cup of tea at a dinner table, I'd be like, What? What is this like? What the fuck? So, yeah, it would be really upsetting to me. I don't mind looking at a still photograph, but I too, would be very shaken, I think, by seeing those kinds of clips coming in. So anyone listening, if you're thinking of doing that, not a great idea, but this is the world in which we live.

44:41  
And yeah. So I think, yeah, not, don't tag her in it. Don't send it. And also, like, I really do think, like, if you have any urge, because I'm seeing people doing this with their loved ones, you know, my grandparent, and they create a video of the grandparent being lifelike and holding them and all this

44:56  
stuff. I've seen those the hugging ones. It's

44:59  
really. Like, I just, I would encourage you to please listen to psychiatrists and to people who study the impact of this on your brain, and just like, take it seriously. This is not just a little game you're playing. This isn't, this isn't Farmville or Candy Crush like, this is you're, you're doing something to your own emotions and your well being that I think you just need to tread lightly on So, yeah,

45:21  
yeah, lots of kooky things out there. I keep wondering what's next? Like, what is actually next? We're going to leave it here, guys. We're just rolling towards the 50 minute mark, and we've got some voice notes that we want to get to, and I'm going to throw that over to Sarah. And before we leave today, I'm going to remind you once again about the Patreon and the book bag, and H is for Hawk by Helen McDonald. We're going to start throwing out some dates that we could possibly get together for a zoom call the book I had read, but reading it again was fantastic and whimsical. You still have time to read, and if you've not finished it, you can still be part of our zoom call. If you've only listened to two chapters, you can still be part of our zoom call. Don't feel like, Oh God, I haven't read the book and I haven't finished it. If you haven't read the book at all, you can still be part of our zoom call on Patreon. So please don't be. We know everyone's busy. Sometimes it's nice just to hook up with old friends and hear what people have to say, and then you'll get to it, maybe this winter, when you're snowed in, like I will be digging my fucking gate out to try and get my car out of the driveway. But here's here's some voice notes, Sarah, take it away.

46:35  
Hi, dance. Sarah and Caitlin. This is Alicia from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. I'm an only dance fan and part of the book club. Just wanted to say, I love hearing the extra content on your podcast. It's always so fun to me. It's just fun being able to kind of sit in on this conversation and laugh along and relate to a lot of the stuff that you guys talk about. So I just wanted to pop on here really quick in terms of your last the last video and school lunches and stuff. And I was the kid that no one ever wanted to trade lunches with, and not because my food was considered icky or, you know, kids wouldn't like it. It's just both my parents worked shift work, and so it was bare bones. And I always knew when my dad packed my lunch, because it literally consisted of, like, two or three sandwiches of whatever, if it was PB and J, ham and cheese and an apple and like, that was it? Yeah. So nobody really thought my lunches were that great or interesting. I always wanted other kids lunches because they sometimes, like had chips, or like the, you know, the fruit gummies, or like Fruit by the Foot and stuff like that, also with the porch and beans, that was also a staple, particularly with my dad, whenever he cooked meals and he was at home. And sometimes you would elevate it to do hot dogs, cut up hot dogs in craft dinner that was chefs. Oh yeah. So yeah, I don't know if you guys had that as well as a kid or not. My kids have had it a time or two, and I'm pretty sure they'll still make it for themselves every once in a while. But anyway, just want to say hello, and I think you gals are great, and keep up the great work.

48:20  
Thank you so much. Yep, I'll tell you what. Craft dinner and hot dogs you were going somewhere. Sometimes we even got, we even got broccoli, like mom would like, boil some broccoli and cheese, throw that in there. Well, it was covered in cheese sauce. We'd eat it anyway. That was a good one. Thanks. Thanks for letting us know. We really appreciate

48:37  
it. Yeah, that and your extra content, you're gonna get way more pork and beans. Here's the next Yep.

48:43  
Good morning, jannArden, it's nine o'clock on Saturday, October 3, 2025 I'm one of your super fans. I love who you are and what you represent and your music, and I'll never forget a live experience that I had with you singing a duet with jannArden at voices in the park a few years ago, quite a few years ago, and I captured a little film with my little camera. It's very amateur, but I think I'll upload it to YouTube so that I can share it with you. But anyways, after the duet that you sang with Sarah, one of your songs, you said, where do we go from here? And man, I'll never forget that. And I can't I actually, you know, I've said it myself a few times, but yeah, you are a woman that embodies truth and resilience and positivity and all the things that I admire in women. You. I just found your podcast, so I'm going to be listening along. And thank you for listening to this. I just appreciate you so much. You're you're one of the lights in my life. You. All right. Happy Saturday.

50:04  
Well, thank you so much. That's very kind. It's the first time we've had such an ethereal musical backdrop.

50:10  
I felt like I was at a spa. I literally am so relaxed right now. Yeah,

50:14  
it just made me feel really, really like I was listening to a great ASMR sleep time video, exactly, thank you for taking the time to let me know that. And I remember exactly Sarah McLaughlin do it. What was she talking Yeah, I think so. Okay. I think it was die for you that we had done together and And anyway, I we appreciate you. Thanks for finding the podcast. Let your friends know and and come and join us on Patreon for $5 a month, because I think you in particular would really enjoy our extra little podcasts that we do just just for our members. Anyway. Thank you for your message.

50:51  
Hi, jannCaitlin and Sarah. It is Pam from the book bag calling. We just had our meeting about the our zoom meeting about the PAM Taylor book I'll have what she's having. And it was fantastic. What a great bunch of book baggers we have. And it's it was so woman positive and supportive, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. And I want to say thank you to you three ladies, as well as everybody in the group. And also, I wanted to let you know that many months ago, my therapist told me it would be in my best interest to spend at least one hour a week doing something for myself that was not task oriented or in service of somebody else. So I decided to religiously tune into the jannArden podcast, and because jannYou always made me laugh, and it's been great to learn about Caitlin and Sarah, and I recommend that everybody do something for themselves every week that is not task oriented, at least one thing. And anyway, I've been enjoying it so much. Back a few months ago, I decided to join the book bag. And you know what? I'm loving it, and it's forcing me to take time to read and bring a little more balance into my world. So I really appreciate it. And I hope everybody out there is having a great week, and everybody should join the Patreon for five bucks, and everybody should join the book bag for only a total of $7 and I you know what it's worth, at least 895 Okay, take care.

52:21  
Thanks. Pam. I

52:23  
promise we didn't pay Pam to say that yet.

52:26  
Thank you. So Pam, dettler and I have known each other for a long, long time. And Pam, you may remember this, we went for lunch. We were in Dundas Square, and we went up to one of those crazy restaurants that's on, like, the third floor, you know, by one of those big billboard signs and and, yeah, I've known Pam, you've been so supportive of me over the years, and I thank you so much for coming along on this crazy ride and and I know Pam looks after her mom. She moved from Toronto back to the Maritimes to help her mom. Her mom's getting older, and she's been an amazing help to your mom. So good for you, Pam. We're thinking about you, and thanks for listening along. Maybe one more, and then we'll we'll head over to

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Patreon. Hi jannCaitlin and Sarah. I did not want to comment on any one specific show topic. However, I did want to take a moment to thank all three of you for showing up every week. You're honest down to earth. Real Life discussions mean more to us listeners than you may realize. Jan, I've been a very long time fan. I've been to more concerts than I can count, and a listener to your show before your show helped me survive my very long hour and a half commute into work from downtown Toronto. These days, it means even more. This spring, my wife of 22 years suddenly fell ill the end of March and passed away from a brain tumor the beginning of June. I also just launched my son to his very first year away to Queen's University. Your show brings light and comfort as I try to navigate this new and difficult chapter. Right now, it's just me and my very senior dog who I know who does not have much time left. Please keep doing what you guys do. Jan, I'm so happy to hear about your new love. It's rare to find your person, and it's so clear from the way you speak that you have Thanks, guys. I'm verklempt

54:15  
Oh, I'm really, really sorry about your loss, and I can only imagine how that is exponentially made slightly worse from your dog. And you know, you kind of count every day. Sarah loves her dog so much, and then probably already cries about Stevie, who's very, very young dog, dying at some point, someday, it's hard, no, but I mean, it's, I'm just saying you have so much time ahead of you, and she's sitting there having lost her wife and now you know her dog and being an empty nester, your son is off to university. Good things are ahead, and human life is that. A fucking merry go round the Ferris wheel, that cyclical thing where we have good times and then we have things that just hit us, you know, with with such a, I don't know, a profound change in our lives. You You guys know what, what that's like? Caitlin, yeah, but we face hard things. I'm always so I look at Caitlin, and we've talked about it too. Of you know what she went through with Sam, and you know Kyle and her family and the loss of a of a newborn baby. And we're hit with things, and we never think we're going to laugh again or feel good again. And time goes by, and then you celebrate these little souls or these big souls that come into our lives, and you somehow feel like I knew that I knew them, and I had a chance to reach out and touch that and spend that time. And that is something that that is a reminder of our humanity, and that groups of souls travel together. And I'm I'm sure your wife is cheering you on, like girl, get laugh and get out there, you know. And I hate when people say, Go, you'll meet somebody who gives a shit if you ever meet somebody. You've got friends, you've got you've got us, and you've got this podcast, and we're gonna, we are going to keep trying to make you laugh and make you think. And we are all in this together, facing difficult things. But thank you for your absolutely vulnerable message, taking the time to talk to us about your life, it means everything. Keep listening, and I hope you'll come and join us on the book bag sometime. I don't know if you're a member of that, but we would love to see you and say hi, but thank you so much for your message. This is going to mean so much to other listeners as well.

56:39  
Yeah, and maybe ask for a sign from your wife, because I bet you, she is with you, and that's that can be really nice.

56:46  
And I also think if you if you're feeling like you're going through a period of like, Oh man, I'm really like, because grief is like waves, right? Some knock you off your feet. Some you get up faster than others, yes, but you know, kind of like, allow yourself to feel all those things, because you do have to process it, and it's a lot to process, and it takes time. But also consider joining group therapy. I think that can be a really, really helpful thing, because when you've experienced that kind of grief, it can feel isolating, and you feel like other people are saying they understand, but they don't. You can really find some comfort in other people who've gone through similar things and and lost a partner. Specifically, I have friends who've lost partners spouses, and they've gone to group therapy for that, and it's really, really helped them. So consider that too. If you if that feels like something that might be right?

57:31  
Yeah, the the audio book I was just gonna mention that I listened to just regarding like my grandfather and anyone who's like, passed on the secret language of the universe signs, and it's by Yes. Laura Lynn Jackson, have a listen. So good. Yeah, have

57:47  
a look. It's so good.

57:48  
Okay, I'll listen to that. Yeah,

57:50  
it's good. Caitlin, I when mom passed away, I think I've mentioned this too. I'm like, Mom, bring lots of wildlife to the property.

57:58  
Yes, look at that Jen is literally

58:03  
like we would see one once in a while when they were here. And yes, my parents had two large farm dogs that ran the perimeter, and nothing would really come in here because of those two knuckleheads, which was kind of cool, because I never worried about anybody stepping foot into this yard. But, you know, the dogs eventually passed away as well, and but now I am inundated with wildlife. But that the Lord the Laura book. I'll

58:28  
put it in the show notes, yeah, if you want to, it's and what the other thing for the show notes will be the AI hair tool.

58:35  
Oh, it's face tune. It's, you get face tune. Oh, face tune has a haircut option, and you enter it in so yeah, it's very

58:44  
a link to Facebook. Okay.

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