A Peaceful Passing

jann (00:01.68)
Gracious good day to you all. This is the Jan Arden podcast. At the tone, it will be exactly noon. No, that's not true. That's just, that's a made up thing. You gotta, we gotta watch it for made up stuff. Sarah Burke is here in Toronto. She's got her Blue Jays hat on. Caitlin Green is here. You look dashing with your beautiful blunt cut hair. You don't sound snotty like you sound, and I don't mean that in kind of an emotional,

Caitlin Green (00:22.382)
Wow.

Thank you.

jann (00:31.408)
bitchy girl type way. I mean, you literally don't sound like your head is filled with snot.

Caitlin Green (00:36.302)
No, I'm not congested, my son is snotty, but so far today I'm not. I don't have it yet. Yet. Notice I say yet.

jann (00:41.584)
Okay, good, good. Well, you've got some great things for us to talk about, which I absolutely love. Caitlin sent me a bunch of stuff a few days ago. So right out of the box, we have so much to cover today. One of them is going to be, no, I'm not even gonna, you know what? I'm gonna save that. Not even gonna say what it is. What's the big thing happening in the Niagara region on that side of the world coming up? It is the solar eclipse event of 2024. And yeah, go. Yes, we are.

Caitlin Green (01:06.158)
Yeah. So this is happening. We're recording this in advance. So this will be happening Monday of this week. So by the time you lovely listeners are hearing it, it will have already happened. But I just love the fact that Niagara Falls declared a preemptive state of emergency.

jann (01:22.224)
Well, a lot of people. They're expecting what, 200 ,000 people?

Caitlin Green (01:26.733)
I know, but I was like, is that really 200 ,000 people who want to sit in lawn chairs and drink is now what we're calling a state of emergency? It felt like a joke when I saw the headlines. In the US, they were roundly making fun of us.

jann (01:37.456)
So what does that mean? Perhaps the mayor or whoever of that area is like, listen, with that many people coming into the city, we A, don't have any place to put them. So all the hotel rooms are booked. In fact, I saw a news piece the other day, a couple that had booked their room over eight months ago at a hotel there had been bumped off so that the hotel could make more money. They literally said, oh, due to extenuating circumstances, we are unable to honor.

Caitlin Green (02:01.23)
Oh my gosh.

jann (02:05.488)
this reservation, which I thought really sucked. And if I can figure out what hotel it was, we'll out them by the end of this podcast, but I can't remember. But my point being is that maybe they're thinking we don't have enough emergency services, we don't have enough anything in case something was to go catastrophically wrong, like a whole bunch of people burn out their retinas.

Caitlin Green (02:12.238)
We'll roast you.

Caitlin Green (02:24.398)
Yeah. Yeah, so that's the other thing that's funny about this is that because it's such a risk to personal safety for dumb adults, but then kids who don't understand, most schools are going to be closed. They have a P .A. day. So here in Toronto, they declared like a P .A. day because they can't be liable for all those eyeballs. Like, that's just not possible.

Sarah Burke (02:44.67)
And didn't they just do it like two days ago? Like they should have done it early enough that people could have made childcare plans.

Caitlin Green (02:51.022)
Well, I remember, you know, when I was still working on the morning show, so February, before that even, I think, it was discussed that they were like, we're probably gonna make it a PA day. So maybe they only officially recently confirmed it, but most of my friends have had plans for this anyways, because they were kind of like, we don't try, even if they were at school, they didn't like trust what was gonna happen at school to keep their kids eyeballs safe. And at Will's daycare, you either pick the child up before two o 'clock,

Or you pick them up after 4 .30 when the whole thing is done and have to keep all the little kids away from the windows and they have to cover all the windows so they don't try to look out at it.

Sarah Burke (03:26.686)
Do you want to hear the predicament I got myself in for tomorrow? So my class I teach, it's the last day of class. I teach 10 .30 to 1 .30. You're not supposed to be looking at the sun between two and 4 p .m., which is when I drive home from London, Ontario to Toronto. Might I also mention that I drive through the region where a state of emergency has been declared. And even if I didn't take like that route, which would be like highway 403, the other route will likely

jann (03:26.832)
Oh.

Caitlin Green (03:28.558)
Mm. What?

Caitlin Green (03:41.006)
Yeah.

Sarah Burke (03:56.574)
be jammed as well because of the 403. So I just said to like the dean of the faculty, like my kids are talking to me asking if there's class because of the eclipse. They've canceled school everywhere else. Like, can I host the last day of class online? I got a yes. So I am hosting class from exactly where I am sitting tomorrow morning. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (04:16.878)
tweet. Yeah, because otherwise then like, then the I mean, I guess they're university students, so they're responsible for themselves, but someone's gonna get drunk and burn out their redness. Do you guys remember? I don't know that it was a total solar eclipse to the extent that this one is because this is a rarity. But do you remember when Trump was president, they had the footage of him looking directly into the it's my favorite.

Sarah Burke (04:26.526)
Yeah.

jann (04:35.024)
There's memes everywhere today. There's memes of him staring into the sun. Nothing, everything bounces off that man. And he looks very unusual. He's lost a lot of weight. So he's definitely doing one of the Mongero or Zempic drugs. So he's lost an incredible amount of weight in a very short period of time. And he kind of looks like,

Caitlin Green (04:42.35)
Yeah. I know it's true. He's Teflon. Teflon Don.

Sarah Burke (04:42.398)
you

Caitlin Green (04:54.926)
Mm -hmm.

jann (05:02.864)
There's a lot of skin going on. That's all I'll say. And he's browner than normal. Like he's tanning more and his teeth are whiter if that's possible. Listen, I'm glad the man's losing weight because you know, it's not healthy to kind of go there, but it's pretty crazy that he's gone down that road. Anyway, we were talking about him staring at the sun. Nothing happens to this man. Everything bounces off. Apparently he eats McDonald's every day.

Caitlin Green (05:08.974)
He's in Florida a lot now, I would imagine.

Caitlin Green (05:29.294)
He loves it so much and he loves Coca -Cola and he's just, he's exactly what you would imagine. Do you remember when he invited that, the winning basketball team to the White House for a big dinner? It's like this huge deal that happens and yeah, and I'm like, and people were like, oh, this is so cheap. And I was like, no, like, yes it is, but he would want this. Like this is what he would want. Like he was like, he really thought about like, what is the best thing I can give them? And it was McDonald's.

Sarah Burke (05:30.014)
Ew.

Sarah Burke (05:36.382)
We -

jann (05:43.312)
He had all McDonald's.

Caitlin Green (05:57.614)
in much the same way that everyone was like, please children do not look at the sun. And he pointed right at it and looked. The best was that Melania was standing there right next to him being like, oh dear God, he's looking at it. He's looking right at it right now on camera.

Sarah Burke (06:01.694)
Oh my God.

jann (06:10.288)
Well, I remember in school when we used to rig up like these cardboard things that you would look into a box and then the box had a hole and there was like a mirror that you look. It was so fascinating what we used to do like in the seventies to prepare for things like this. And now the kids are, thank heavens, they're all getting the glasses that are handed out. Like by the hundreds of thousands, a company has made these glasses. But I don't think we will see any of it in Alberta. Am I correct in saying that, Caitlin? Okay.

Caitlin Green (06:30.542)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Caitlin Green (06:37.902)
Yeah, you won't see any. Yeah. So it's just the Eastern, it's just Eastern Canada, Eastern US. And they were giving out a ton of those glasses too, at the little Easter parade that I took Will to last weekend. And so they have all the police are there, fire services, ambulance, and so they're giving them all out. And then don't you, I knew this was going to happen. I was like, some jerk is going to try to sell these on Facebook marketplace. And sure enough.

The last week, the local Facebook marketplace for various groups in the east end of the city, it's all people who I watched them grab 20 pairs and I was like, oh, I guess they're getting them for the office. And then I realized, no, they're selling them. And now they're selling them all. I mean, I guess.

jann (07:15.312)
So does anyone know what, if you don't have those glasses, is there something that you can look through at this eclipse safely? Like a homemade device, the pinhole things. So you will only.

Sarah Burke (07:25.598)
You can make the pinhole cameras, yeah.

Caitlin Green (07:26.574)
Yeah.

Sarah Burke (07:30.398)
Yeah, not that I'm going to, but you can.

jann (07:34.16)
So what would you advise people to do then? If you don't have glasses for your kids and you don't have, is it safe to say you could go online and look for safe home alternatives for viewing the eclipse? Like, can we tell people to do that? It's gonna be over. They're gonna be blind by the time they hear this, right? It's too late. Okay, it doesn't matter. So we're moving on. Good luck.

Caitlin Green (07:49.486)
I mean, probably. I know I was gonna say, it's like, it's not gonna do them much good then, but. But also, do we have overcast skies when this happens? This is what I wanna know. So like, when we, we'll have to, we'll regroup. And.

Sarah Burke (07:56.03)
Yeah, yeah.

jann (08:00.848)
I don't know.

Okay, well tomorrow.

Sarah Burke (08:04.286)
Like, did I cancel the last day of class for no reason? Yeah. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (08:07.246)
Well, that's the thing. What if it's totally overcast? Today we will.

jann (08:07.632)
Well, you guys let me know what happens. So it doesn't matter. We're moving on and we're now gonna talk about divorce rings. So apparently this is the thing. If you're getting divorced, you get your spouse, ex -spouse a divorce ring or do you buy it for yourself, Caitlin? What's the deal on this?

Sarah Burke (08:16.35)
Oh, okay.

Caitlin Green (08:23.982)
No, you turn your engagement ring, you turn your engagement ring and your wedding ring into a new ring instead of giving it back. Because some people are like, oh, you should give it back. I'm like, I don't think so. No one's giving back their rings at that point. It's not like they called off an engagement. It's like you got married, you went through with it, and now you're getting a divorce. So Emily Radikowski, who is a very famous, beautiful model, who also has a book.

jann (08:26.928)
into

jann (08:38.384)
Okay.

Caitlin Green (08:46.35)
and she has a podcast as well. And I guess this sort of came out, I think in an episode of the podcast and then Vogue magazine interviewed her about it and said that she calls it her divorce ring. So it's like repurposing this, you know, giant diamond she has, because she's not going to just stop wearing it, but it would feel weird to keep wearing your engagement and wedding rings after you were already divorced. But you'd be like, it's perfectly good diamond.

jann (09:08.848)
Well, I repurposed my mom's wedding ring and her engagement ring and my grandma's and I made myself like just my own ring. This ring that I wear all the time, because I'm thinking I'm not going to wait around for someone to give me something, but I revamped it. Like I didn't wear mom's, but that's exactly what I did. I took it to a lovely jeweler named Andrea Blaze. Shout out to Andrea. She's so talented.

Caitlin Green (09:19.214)
Mm -hmm.

jann (09:30.32)
And yeah, I made myself a ring because I ain't gonna wait around for someone to give me something. And I wear it on my wedding finger because it is a very great thing when you're traveling, when you're alone to have a ring on it. And not that anyone's gonna approach me and ask me out like on a plane. It's very doubtful. But I have a confidence. You know, Cynthia Lois was visiting at my house. She went home yesterday and she got me watching Love is Blind.

Caitlin Green (09:32.686)
I love that.

Sarah Burke (09:48.638)
You don't know that.

jann (09:59.568)
Jesus Christ, season six. Well, the reason I'm bringing this up is because it has everything to do with this ring. So the couples that didn't get married, they obviously, someone proposed to them in the pods. They broke up by the time it came up to the wedding day or the wedding happened and then they said, no, so I can't even imagine. But what do you want after six weeks? Jesus, folks, give it a break. Think this through. But these girls are keeping their rings.

Sarah Burke (10:02.398)
Things I did not expect to hear today.

jann (10:28.88)
So do you think that's part of what they're promised when they sign up for the show? Listen, you get to keep a $6 ,000 ring.

Caitlin Green (10:33.966)
Oh, for sure.

Yeah, like you're keeping your, you know, I don't know what it's like your kind of sketchy diamond is probably the deal. They probably have a deal with a jeweler actually, because I think that's the way it happens for the bachelor and like the bachelorette. I think that they have like a partnership with jewelers and so they give them the ring that they ultimately propose with for free. So it's not like the person who proposes to them is like out money. It's just, it's just part of production. So.

jann (10:59.888)
Now did you have something to do with picking out your ring with Kyle? You had no idea.

Caitlin Green (11:03.566)
No, I had no idea. I was so surprised. I'd never thought about it. I'd never thought about rings. I honestly had never thought about weddings. Like until I got together with Kyle, I was kind of, you know, jury was still out on getting married at all. So yeah, and he proposed we've been together for a while, but it was earlier than I thought, I guess he would. Like we had never really talked about it, the two of us like getting married. No, he just, he fully surprised me and I was thrilled.

jann (11:22.192)
Really?

jann (11:26.704)
Well, I love that. I mean, that's very brave of him to go out and pick out a ring. So there was never any little hints like, do you like a pair of diamond? Do you like, okay.

Caitlin Green (11:29.518)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (11:35.694)
Never. Never a discussion whatsoever. But he went to a really good jeweler who he had like a good relationship with and so they kind of like led him down the right path and they were pretty tasteful and he just went with like a classic, you know, and if you want to change something you can. I mean I'm all for if someone proposes to you with a ring that you wind up not liking the style of you can always have it adjusted.

jann (11:56.272)
So if you and Kyle, hypothetically, you got engaged, you didn't get end up getting married, a year went by, would you have kept that ring or would you have given it back to Kyle? Tell me. Okay.

Caitlin Green (12:07.15)
I think I would have given it back. If you don't even make it to the wedding, like if you call it the engagement, I think I would give it back. If you go through the wedding and you get married and then you get divorced, then I'm keeping it.

jann (12:17.104)
Okay. All right. Well, I love that. The next topic, this is, these are, I'm covering these topics today folks, because I got some, I got, no, but I also have heavy shit to put on everybody as we go out of this, this particular episode. Living in a garage is now for the super rich. Did you, did you, did any of you people know that? If you're living in a garage, you are, you are living like the super rich. Once upon a time broke college kids,

Caitlin Green (12:18.766)
I feel.

Caitlin Green (12:25.326)
of rapid fire.

jann (12:46.992)
were the only garage dwelling people. I myself, as broke as I've ever been, have never lived in a garage. My friend in Toronto, I'll just shout out G, I think for quite a long time he lived in his garage and rented out his house, which I thought was very smart, except he was, I think he was doing it illegally because it didn't have plumbing. So I'm not sure what happened in that department, but men have it much easier than women. They don't have periods. They can probably shit anywhere. They can pee anywhere.

Caitlin Green (13:02.093)
That is smart.

jann (13:15.024)
It's not a big deal for guys. It's a little bigger of a deal for women. So talk to me about this. This is a real estate developer in Manhattan and he's turned a parking structure into...

Caitlin Green (13:22.19)
Mm -hmm.

Caitlin Green (13:26.51)
They're going to turn this into a condo eventually. And I guess it's because it's in this prime location. And so people are scooping up units. And I think that I don't know how much each unit goes for, but like the grand total project value so far is like a hundred million bucks. So they buy the unit, then there's renovations to come, obviously. But the part that I loved is that they're maintaining the facade to look like a garage.

jann (13:42.544)
Jesus.

Caitlin Green (13:51.278)
So when you walk by it, it won't scream residential building. And they said they want it privacy is important to celebrities. And so they believe they're trying to like lure in celebrities who don't want paparazzi or people to know where they live and don't want the buildings to be identifiable. They want it to just be like this looking like something that looks like a garage. But then I feel like saying, if you're a celebrity who winds up moving into the garage building, won't everyone just know that? Like, I kind of feel, I think it's a marketing tactic, but like Taylor Swift has,

jann (14:13.36)
You

Caitlin Green (14:20.75)
If you go to Manhattan, people know where Taylor Swift's Tribeca loft is. Now she also owns a townhouse and then another property in New York. So no one knows where she is exactly, but there are paparazzi and fans 24 seven parked outside of this Tribeca loft waiting to see her. Like you can just see it. They're just sitting across the street, hoping that they see her come in or out of the building, whether she's in the U S in New York or not.

jann (14:43.344)
I have a bit of my own Taylor Swift news. So yesterday a journalist published a Taylor Swift's iPod 18 year old music, like her music jams, like her playlist. And little old Janie Arden was on there with insensitive.

Caitlin Green (14:45.582)
Mmm.

Sarah Burke (14:46.622)
Tell us.

Sarah Burke (14:59.294)
Her playlist?

Caitlin Green (15:05.55)
Yes! I love that!

jann (15:07.408)
So Taylor, 18 year old Taylor Swift was listening to Insensitive.

Sarah Burke (15:10.078)
We're gonna have to source this though. I just want to make sure this is for real.

jann (15:13.168)
This is for real. It's for reals. It's totally for reals. So I went on, I've been sent the article about 15 times. They've published her playlist and yeah, there's really cool music on there. Like she was listening to some great jams.

Sarah Burke (15:24.766)
Okay. I just found it. We'll include it in the show notes.

jann (15:29.264)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (15:29.454)
I'm very into this. This tells me that we're gonna get her on the podcast. I am, I'm saying this out loud because it could happen.

jann (15:32.272)
This tells me...

Sarah Burke (15:33.598)
Let's put it out there.

jann (15:37.776)
Well, I just thought it was really cool. And Taylor Swift, kudos to you. I think we all know where it started. I didn't write in sensitive, just FYI. Anne Laurie is a Calgary writer and it's such a great song. It was great on her demo when Anne wrote it. Anyway, that was very cool. So that was my big news.

Caitlin Green (16:01.614)
I love that. I went to a really cool event here in Toronto on Friday that now I'm like, I think the host of this would be also an excellent guest on the show. And I also think that Jan would make an excellent guest on his podcast and it's called Song Exploder. And I'm not sure if you're familiar with this. It's a podcast as well as a series on Netflix. And what it does is it breaks down a hit song, a specific song, and it goes into all the details and the host is a

trained musician and so he has a great ear for all this stuff and they'll talk to the artists and the producers and the writers and all this. But he partnered, he came in, lives in the US and he came into Toronto to host this event with the Toronto Symphony Orchestra called Symphony Exploder, where he talks to the conductor of, well, the music director and conductor of the Toronto Symphony Orchestra and they break down a specific piece.

jann (16:47.504)
Oh.

Caitlin Green (16:57.294)
you know, an orchestra really. This was by Stravinsky. It was the Rite of Spring and it's a famous piece. If you heard it, you would kind of go like, oh yeah. And it was really groundbreaking at the time and it's inspired the soundtrack for a lot of movies like Star Wars. And if you listen to like The Shining, you'll hear pieces of that.

jann (17:01.296)
That'd be so cool.

Caitlin Green (17:17.102)
And so he does the interview with the conductor and they break it down. You hear certain parts of the orchestra play certain pieces and they talk about the meaning. They talk about the story that's being told with it. You know, it was a ballet at the time and it was quite a controversial piece of classical music. People walked out of it the first time that it played and it was really, really cool. And it was so well done. And it makes you appreciate classical music in a different way entirely than I think you normally would. I don't listen to classical music all the time. I do like it. I'm not educated in it, but I just...

jann (17:45.136)
I listen to a lot of classical music. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (17:47.182)
So you would love this. And I just think it's such a cool thing. And I thought to myself, he would be so fun to talk to. And also, he would be so fun to have you on an episode of his podcast to break down, you know, insensitive or any, you know, good mother or whatever. Like I was like, that would be so fun. He's just, he's very charming and funny. And so is the conductor of the Toronto Symphony Orchestra. So shout out to them. It's like, it's great.

jann (18:03.696)
Yeah.

jann (18:12.016)
I'm so intrigued by an artist's process, like a creator's process. I just remember loving To Kill a Mockingbird so much, that book. And Harper.

Caitlin Green (18:27.086)
Yes.

Caitlin Green (18:33.038)
Harper Lee.

jann (18:33.808)
Harper Lee, sorry. Harper Lee, I was, my mind was saying Lee Harper and I'm like, Jan, don't be an asshole. Harper Lee really didn't speak about it very much at all. Like she was so, she just didn't speak to it a lot. Everyone wanted to talk to her about it. And it must be kind of weird when an author or a music writer or just has like that one thing because Harper Lee had to kill a mockingbird. And then you look at artists,

you know, or writers like Jackie Collins or John Steinbeck or Hemingway that had so much, like Dickens and Jane Austen, they had so many books, but to have one thing. So to couple that whole premise, but being a one hit wonder or a one book wonder or like, I wonder back in the day, like in the 16, 17 hundreds, if you had composers that had one sift,

Caitlin Green (19:17.326)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (19:21.486)
Oh yeah.

jann (19:31.024)
symphonic success and then that was that.

Caitlin Green (19:33.294)
I bet you first, I mean, I would think there has to be, there would have to be one hit wonders for classical as well. And I think you were.

jann (19:39.28)
I told you I was on One Hit Wonders once, hey? I was watching it. Yeah. I was in the States watching TV. I had done some show down there and probably a really shitty bar. And One Hit Wonders came on. It was called One Hit Wonders. And my video was on there with Insensitive. And that was in like the late 90s. So in the late 90s, they'd already written me off. They're like, oh God, get rid of her. Where is she now? Hey, oh.

Caitlin Green (19:56.718)
Oh my gosh.

Caitlin Green (20:05.902)
That's crazy. Well, I've because I've seen I don't know if the show it must have been called one hit wonders. I saw that and it was a breakdown of Vanessa Carlton's, you know, making my way downtown. What's the hex that called? A hundred miles or something like that.

jann (20:17.616)
Sweet downtown. Oh, yeah. We're gonna get sued.

Caitlin Green (20:26.638)
Yeah, we are. We can only.

Sarah Burke (20:27.198)
No, it's fine, you guys, you're good.

jann (20:28.592)
Okay.

Caitlin Green (20:30.542)
But yeah, so, I mean, I remember watching that and I thought it was fascinating because they interview her. She talks a lot about the song, what it did for her. And at the time, I believe it was during, no, so it was fairly recent because it was during the pandemic and she was living with her parents. She had moved back in with her parents during the pandemic. And she was a very interesting interview. And I just thought it was really cool that she was like talking about the song. And I just, it was, it was fascinating. I was like, most people would kill to have one hit. Most musicians would kill for one hit.

jann (20:59.664)
Oh, it didn't bother me at all. I was quite like, you know you've made it when, which it was sort of the antithesis to sitting in the hotel room and kind of feeling sorry for myself. I was just like, oh cool. And Cynthia was also telling me, we had some great conversations, but she read me a little piece of this op -ed by Patti Smith. Patti Smith is like, because the night belongs to lovers because the night, I mean, she was so amazing, the velvet underground and.

Caitlin Green (21:11.758)
You're like, yeah.

jann (21:28.72)
all these amazing people that she hung out with. And in the 80s, she had, you know, these journalists writing about her like, where is she now? She's all but disappeared. And she's like, dude, I was a mother. Just because you don't see what I'm doing publicly does not mean that I'm making, creating, doing, thinking, being. And I loved her take on the amount of work she'd done and the books she'd work on, the poetry and the collaborations.

and it wasn't on pop radio. Who cares? And I just said to Cynthia, God, isn't that just it? Because I must be called irrelevant twice a day on socials.

Caitlin Green (21:58.83)
I know, it's true.

Caitlin Green (22:07.022)
which to me is I've seen it happen. And I'm like, you're writing to this person. You're writing to this person because you care about what they think enough to write to them. So your entire argument is like flawed from the jump. It's just wild.

jann (22:09.392)
You

Sarah Burke (22:10.398)
Ha ha ha.

jann (22:13.2)
He he.

jann (22:21.872)
But like...

Sarah Burke (22:21.886)
The last week has been the best because of our guest, Naheed Nenshi, last week. People just really crawl out of their basements for that.

Caitlin Green (22:30.286)
Oh my gosh, I was like, geez.

jann (22:30.992)
Well, they're allowed to have an opinion about anyone, about any candidate or anything politically. I'm not going to go down that road, but it doesn't even bother him. Like you're engaged and if you're taking the time to listen to what he has to say, it's so about everyone. And I love that whole thing, the point that he made about this is the time to stand up and really do something that you're passionate about.

Sarah Burke (22:32.862)
Yeah.

Yeah.

jann (22:58.736)
like, and, you know, speak your mind. And so if those people are speaking their mind and doing their thing, listen, I'm past the point of trying to talk anybody into anything because there is a group of people, it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ was standing in front of them from the heavens above. They would probably phone their brother -in -law to shoot him. There's a guy in my porch, he's talking about peace and love, call the cops. Like, there's nothing you can do to convince people.

to think, and Trump is a perfect example of that, of what he gets away with, the things he does, how he disparages other people, his racist, constant racist overtones, his complete lack of knowledge about anything, and yet he's got half of the country running behind him, cheering him on. So I don't know how we got to talking about that, but yes, my irrelevance, my irrelevance is discussed constantly, but...

Caitlin Green (23:50.446)
Hahaha

Sarah Burke (23:50.942)
Hahaha!

jann (23:55.024)
I said to Cynthia, thank you so much for reading that to me because I needed to remind myself of the work that we all do that people don't see it. They don't hear it. It may not be on the radio all the time, but like the three of us, we don't stop. We're engaged. We're meeting people. We're exploring new roads and new opportunities in our lives. And that ain't always going to be on Facebook.

Caitlin Green (24:21.486)
Well, and I also, I think that there is a misconception that people who work in the public eye, that they necessarily want that and that they cultivate it with every fiber of their being every day, that that's their defining quality. And if you happen to know or be friends with public figures or work with them ever, you know that that's not the case. It's very much a misconception that's held by, you know, people who are viewing things externally. And so when someone is quiet to them or doesn't pop up in their algorithm anymore,

They're like, oh, what are they even doing? And like, I remember getting, like hearing that sometimes when I worked in radio and there would be some people who, when you told them that you worked in radio, they kind of relished and like, well, I don't listen to radio. I don't really listen to radio anymore. I'm like, okay, cool. You're poorly socialized for that. Like, I don't know what to tell you, but you need some social skills. I don't know, maybe your parents should have taught you a little bit better, but that's an anti -social response.

jann (25:03.088)
Yeah, great. Great.

Sarah Burke (25:07.39)
You

Caitlin Green (25:15.246)
And that's how I feel when I see people talking, just like yelling at a stranger on the internet. I'm like, you have terrible social skills. People probably don't like you. Like, I'm sorry, but you're just terribly antisocial.

Sarah Burke (25:22.622)
I almost wanted to keep track. I really wanted to keep track of the grammar and spelling mistakes of this herd of people. I was like, wow, there's one thing I'm seeing in common here. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (25:34.478)
Yeah, I just, I feel like I'm like, I just, I don't know. It just, it just reads as largely antisocial to me. And so I don't, I'm like, okay, I don't know. Doesn't really register, but the, you should redo insensitive to be irrelevant. You could rewrite it. It could be a 2024.

jann (25:46.992)
I'm going to go ahead and close the video.

Sarah Burke (25:48.286)
Oh my god, like an, like.

jann (25:49.68)
Well, don't write me and tell me how irrelevant I am because you're disproving your, whatever your theory is about me, you are disproving yourself. Like you have to figure out if you've taken the time to write me to say, who are you anyway? Okay, well, I didn't say I was anybody. Like that's the whole.

Sarah Burke (26:03.134)
Yeah

Caitlin Green (26:03.438)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (26:15.726)
I'm like, girl, you know, though. You're writing to me. You know. You do know.

jann (26:18.704)
Heheheheh!

Sarah Burke (26:20.062)
Well, wasn't it Alanis who did a ironic on Jimmy Fallon? We needed a new version. It would be so funny.

Caitlin Green (26:27.118)
Yeah. Oh my God.

jann (26:28.912)
Well, Jimmy Fallon, if you need me on your show, just let me know if you're looking for irrelevant people. Okay, moving on. And I love this story. Forget Ozempic, okay? Just forget Ozempic. But if you need it, do it. Like I'm telling you, I have nothing against it. Science is amazing and it's changing people's lives or mongero, whatever you wanna do. This is cool though, oatzempic. So that is the phrase being used.

Sarah Burke (26:29.982)
Let's get the Jan writers together for that.

irrelevant.

Caitlin Green (26:34.03)
Hahaha!

jann (26:57.776)
for a new trend in which dieters, that means you and me stuff themselves with oatmeal in order to drop some pounds. Not a good feeling to stuff yourself. So go ahead, Caitlin, explain this little ditty.

Caitlin Green (27:06.35)
Mm -hmm.

Caitlin Green (27:14.382)
So I guess they soak a bunch of oats in water, overnight oats kind of, but it's like water and lime juice. And so people are like, oh, I've shed 40 pounds in two months. I'm like, yeah, because you're living off of oats and water. You're on like the dust bowl diet. Like this is craziness. So I mean, obviously anything extreme is going to have extreme results. So I do believe some extreme results are being experienced. And...

jann (27:16.88)
Mm -hmm overnight oats. Oh Oh fuck. Oh Jesus

Caitlin Green (27:43.662)
I guess TikTok has decided to run with this one because that is where logical thinking goes to die these days in many ways. And so people are talking about it. But like, I mean, if you want to add a little like a quarter cup of oats to your smoothie or something, it does help you kind of like feel fuller. And they're, oats are fantastic. They're healthy.

Sarah Burke (27:50.526)
Ha ha ha ha.

jann (28:02.16)
Oats are fantastic, but to stuff your soup, to put lime on it, that would make me throw up. That would be my version. Why can't we just be sensible? Like, why can't we just be sensible?

Sarah Burke (28:07.518)
Ugh. Me too.

Caitlin Green (28:08.878)
Can you imagine?

Caitlin Green (28:13.902)
People can't, they just, they can't. They're just like, I want something extreme. Like they love it. They just love extremes right now. And so it sounds gross. Mm -hmm, me too.

jann (28:20.88)
Well, that sounds very unappealing to me. And I love my overnight oats. Like I love throwing in a bit of cinnamon and some walnuts. I'm trying to eat walnuts every day. I am trying to do things that make me feel energized and good. And please stop worrying about, you know, just stop worrying about stuff that you don't need to worry about. When you're on your deathbed, you're not going to say, I really wish I would have lost 22 pounds.

Caitlin Green (28:29.486)
Oh.

Caitlin Green (28:48.398)
If only I'd lost. But I do think, do not think too sometimes when people imagine themselves losing weight or looking a different way that their mental image of it includes a bunch of other stuff in their life going right. You know? Kind of. Yeah. It's like, you know, like it's like, okay, it's like, this is what's holding me back. And if I had that, and then I think what happens to a lot of people who've lost weight is that I'm like, I have friends where this has happened where they're like,

jann (28:50.16)
If only, right?

jann (29:05.776)
a beer commercial, like happiness. Friends, bored.

Caitlin Green (29:18.67)
Oh, I just am lighter. My dress is a different number. But like all the other stuff I thought was going to happen where like, I don't know what I think you just imagine like this perfect thing and then all this other stuff will open up and you're like, you know, you were just eating oats for a really long time and maybe feeling a little bit bloated now as a result.

jann (29:38.672)
I'm not going to be doing that. I'll tell you right now. I think you are just as easily as served. And we are not dieticians on the Jan Arden podcast folks. Caitlin and I and Sarah and I, none of us know anything except that I will say Caitlin post will did lose a bit of weight and she did noom, N -O -O -M. You can sponsor us if you want to noom. And...

Caitlin Green (29:59.214)
Hmm. Yeah.

jann (30:05.296)
It is a psychological approach. So there's little, it's an app and Caitlin would have to listen to little stories today about why did you eat those four Oreos before you went to sleep? Like you didn't really need to do that.

Caitlin Green (30:17.358)
It was a lot of like also to thinking about stuff that I never really considered, which was like caloric density. So, you know, foods that you could eat a lot of throughout the day, which is hot and that were like good for you would frequently have a lot of water. And so we're talking a lot about fruits and vegetables and then reducing things that are more calorically dense. And I know that some people didn't like new, but I also think that it responds like with your daily like amount of calories you should have based on your goals.

So if you say I want to lose 20 pounds in the next six weeks, cause I'm going to a wedding, then it's going to give you a really extreme output. Like it, so you are driving the bus on this one. So I gave myself a really long period of time to lose what I think was a fairly like standard amount of postpartum weight. And it was great. Whittled it down. It's been easy to keep off again for me. I also exercise a bit, like I do enjoy running. So.

jann (31:12.656)
I bet you it changed the way you thought about because you're inputting calories in what you ate and at the end of the day on Noom, it gives you a brief overview of this is how many calories you did, you know, 1 ,150 calories. This is how much steps you did. You know, I think it's great. Accountability is a great place to start. Okay. So, this is a really weird thing to switch into, but I cannot.

Caitlin Green (31:35.918)
I loved it.

jann (31:42.832)
wait till next week to talk about this. It's so not funny. So today I have three dogs with me. I'm babysitting my friend's dogs.

Sarah Burke (31:52.286)
They've been in the recording. We could see them. We could see them right now. One's at the back door. Yeah.

jann (31:54.48)
Are they, oh, are they going back and forth? So anyway, these are friends of mine that are in their late 50s and early 60s. And about a month ago, my friend's husband's parents announced they didn't wanna be here anymore. They're 92 and 93, and that they were going to do MADE, medically assisted assistance in death, medical assistance in death.

which we have in Canada, thank God. It's an amazing program and it's very vital to dignity in this world. So anyway, they're 92, 93. My friend's husband's mother has dementia. His father, who is still quite clear, had a litany of health problems. He's in a wheelchair. He's as clear as a bell, but he's having more and more trouble looking after his wife. They're in a...

condo where it's assisted living. They go down the elevator for meals and stuff, but it was getting to the point where he could barely even get down there. He broke his hip last year. He's done anyway. And he and his wife, by now, by the time you hear this, they both be gone. So the, uh, I went over there today and, and the sons were there and their partners and, and it was, uh, it was really, they were so filled with joy. They're, they're so excited about their journey.

And she says, well, I hope I don't go down there. And she's pointing at the floor. And I said, well, if you do end up down there, say hi to my dad. And you know, everyone was laughing a little bit. And it was very somber when I walked into the room because I was supposed to go over and pick the dogs up. Like at noon, she said, just come and pick the dogs up. Cause I want them to, they love seeing the dogs and that's really great. Anyway, I was, I tried to keep it really lighthearted. I said, what an adventure you're going on. What an adventure together. And they both.

And the room just lightened up. Like I just thought, I'm not going to be this person. Damn the torpedoes. I don't care. What does brothers think of me or any of that? I just said, wow, what an adventure. It's going to be really cool. And this is so great that you guys have this opportunity. And she said, I've had a good life. And, and anyway, so two doctors would have showed up, two nurses, they're, they, all their family was in the living room. They had a lunch kind of laid out. They took them out for a dinner.

jann (34:15.344)
Last night, they had a big family dinner and everyone had a really beautiful meal and they laughed and talked about things. And so, yeah, and two nurses, two doctors show up, they ask them again, are you sure you want assistance in your death today? Because right to the last second, you can change your mind. There's nothing, obviously you can change your mind. So they want a verbal, I need a verbal consent from you. You know, yes, and so off they went.

Sarah Burke (34:17.694)
Wow.

Caitlin Green (34:30.446)
Mm -hmm.

Caitlin Green (34:34.574)
Mm -hmm.

jann (34:45.168)
And it felt pretty strange leaving the building with the dogs, but I had a real sense of peacefulness in my heart that at 92 and 93, you can speak for yourself in a way that's really important because God only knows what happens. Like anything can happen. We don't know how we're going to go out. And listen, I've seen...

more people in nursing homes that are in such a state of disrepair, sorrow, no one visiting them, not knowing where they are or anything and just waiting for the Grim Reaper to finally come and end their physical body because their mental game ended years before. So we were talking about it when they were walking me out to the car. I said, I hope I have the mental fortitude and my wits about me that I can make a choice like this for myself.

Caitlin Green (35:43.246)
Yeah, I think I remember this years before maid came into legalization, but my my aunt and my uncle, she's a vet and they were taught they always had a lot of dogs around. They train dogs to do agility courses and they're just huge animal lovers. They actually live out on Vancouver Island. And I remember them talking about how they felt like when you put a dog down that it was actually quite humane like a lot of the.

jann (35:44.144)
It was pretty cool.

Caitlin Green (36:10.542)
A lot of the families made the decision over a course of months because the dog's health was deteriorating. They knew it wasn't going to get any worse. Uh -huh.

jann (36:16.4)
They were in pain. They were lame. They didn't, weren't eating anymore. They couldn't see. Like, yeah.

Caitlin Green (36:21.646)
Yeah, it was a lot of discomfort. It was a lot of medications and they just, you know, eventually the owners would make the difficult decision that they had to put the dog down. And so they always referred the referred to the concoction that you would give the dog as the blue goo. So I guess it was, I guess in some way it was like at some point in time blue. And I remember them both saying, like, we, we hope that if something really bad happens to us again, free that we want.

jann (36:47.248)
that we can have a blue goo.

Caitlin Green (36:49.23)
to have the blue goo, please. And that was very much their attitude. And I guess she's a vet, so she'd put a lot of dogs down probably in her time as having this practice. And it was always sort of a topic because my grandmother had pretty severe dementia and my grandfather had physical health issues. And so it came up a lot with the family where we were discussing the blue goo, so to speak.

jann (36:55.664)
Yeah.

jann (37:10.64)
Well, I think because it's become kind of acceptable now that people really are understanding the importance of having a choice with your body and not leaving it up to nature, because nature can be cruel and these things can go on and on and on and on. I felt very fortunate that my mom went quite rapidly. Like she didn't... Do you... Clara Touch? Clara Touch?

Caitlin Green (37:33.678)
They heard the blue go chat. They were like, no.

Sarah Burke (37:35.454)
You

jann (37:39.792)
Good girl, good girl, sit. You gotta be good. They're just bored with me talking. But anyway, yeah, my mom was very long and drawn out to a certain degree with her disease, but she seemed happy and everything like that. I don't think that would have been my mom's jam. I think it would have been my dad's. And I think he probably, it never came up, you know? I just, I don't think it was available to them. My dad's been gone eight years. I think that, that,

Caitlin Green (37:55.47)
Hmm.

jann (38:07.792)
discussion, that conversation around having assistance in death has much changed. But they both had to go through a very long process of interviews. Like they had to just say, and they wanted to do it together. And that's the part that just makes my heart like squeeze in a million times over. Like they had a lot, they had, when I was there, they were three hours away.

Caitlin Green (38:23.31)
For sure.

jann (38:37.648)
from the nurses and doctors showing up to end their lives. They had a huge lunch on the counter. They were sitting, talking and laughing and so relieved to be going. And I'm not used to even thinking of leaving here in terms of gratitude. The last thing Catherine said to me when I was going out the door, she said, I've had such a great life.

I've had such a great life and it wasn't like, and they don't want a funeral. They've said goodbye to everybody. They've done their thing. And when I gave her a hug, she leans and she says to me, next time we do this, we're not telling people so soon.

Sarah Burke (39:23.39)
That's cute.

jann (39:24.048)
And I said, yeah, you gotta keep these things under wrap. I know, I know, but I love the next time we do this.

Caitlin Green (39:28.558)
Hahaha.

Caitlin Green (39:33.998)
Yeah. The next go -around.

Sarah Burke (39:35.55)
Ha ha ha!

jann (39:36.464)
And she goes, I'll be there, I'll be in the stars. I said, yes, you will. It was really, I just learned a lot today. It kind of lifted my humanity to watch, you know, obviously the family's distraught. I felt for the boys and you know, these are men in their sixties, but it doesn't matter how it comes, whether it's not a car accident, there's something so kind of sublime about it. There's nothing violent or the unknown. You're sitting in your,

Sarah Burke (39:51.998)
Ugh.

Caitlin Green (40:00.398)
Yeah.

jann (40:05.84)
the living room of their condo and then the people show up and it's very quiet and they're all going to be sitting in the living room waiting and then they'll get to say goodbye with and be able to see them which I think is really important and then.

Sarah Burke (40:19.774)
Were there last requests, like their favorite, any of their favorite things around that you picked up on?

jann (40:23.408)
I think my friend said that her mother -in -law was trying to give everyone her cashmere sweaters. And I think every I is dotted, every T is crossed. But yeah, she was...

Sarah Burke (40:34.174)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Caitlin Green (40:34.35)
Aww, sweaters.

Caitlin Green (40:45.678)
It's very civilized. Like it seems very civilized for the people who are, you know, obviously making this decision over a long period of time. And, but you know what, because I'm at such a different stage of life, it's one of those things where I'm happy that the option is there for the people who want it, but it gives me anxiety. It gives me like secondhand anxiety because I met, cause it's almost like, you know, the anticipation of knowing that this date is coming, right? And the second that there's a date set,

jann (41:02.736)
Tell me why.

Caitlin Green (41:11.15)
I would imagine that for everyone in their life, like my mental countdown, just the way I'm programmed would sort of begin. So if someone said to me, you know, your grandparent or your family member has chosen down their own life and they're really confident about it and everything's positive, but it's gonna happen two weeks from now. I don't think I could sleep for two weeks. I would be a husk.

jann (41:15.824)
Mm -hmm.

jann (41:30.096)
It's been terrible for my friend and her husband.

Caitlin Green (41:32.974)
Yeah. Mm -hmm.

Sarah Burke (41:35.294)
And for it, it's kind of been on your mind too, even for the last week. Yeah.

jann (41:37.456)
It has been on my mind a lot just through association. And I've met the in -laws a few times, they're lovely. And it seems otherworldly because it's just not part of our everyday conversation. In our culture in particular, it is so far away from us and people think if they never talk about it, and we've talked about this on the show before, the whole idea of doing a will.

people feel like if I do a will, then I'm gonna die. Sarah is covering her face because she doesn't have a fucking will.

jann (42:17.264)
Like, why don't you have a will? You're 37 years old.

Sarah Burke (42:20.222)
This time it's because Caitlin didn't send the link. That's why. I'm just blaming it on anyone now. I'm working on it.

Caitlin Green (42:23.726)
Ha ha ha ha!

jann (42:25.84)
Okay, well that's okay. I mean, it's not like it's because you have a whole bunch of money, but you do want to have a say in if you are gravely injured, do you want someone to keep you alive? You have to have a living will as well.

Sarah Burke (42:34.046)
Yes.

Sarah Burke (42:38.046)
Yes, yes, I can see all that.

jann (42:39.12)
My friends are at the point now where they're running around my goddamn house, putting green and blue and red stickers on shit. Yeah, I'm a blue, I'm red, I'm green. And you know, and we laugh, but I got lots of garden gnomes and everyone's getting one of those bosom heads. Where are they? We can't see them. There they are. They are, it's a wall of heads. It's a wall of, it's an English guy named Bosom, B -O -S -S -O -M.

Caitlin Green (42:44.654)
It's like me, me. Yeah.

Sarah Burke (42:51.838)
It's a good thing you have so many garden gnomes to go around.

Sarah Burke (42:57.342)
Right there. Yeah, they're right there. Yeah, it's a wall of heads.

Caitlin Green (43:00.942)
What is that?

Caitlin Green (43:06.542)
Okay. Okay. Okay.

jann (43:08.88)
And he does these little, I wish I could make it bigger for you, but they, I had one from my grandmother and people are like, oh, what's that? I'm like, oh, when my grandma died, I got this hat. I was never allowed to play with it. Now, when I was a kid, now every birthday, every Christmas I get a Basalm head. So anywho.

Caitlin Green (43:27.182)
So it's a whole, it's, I mean, it looks, for anyone who's not on YouTube, it looks kind of like, it's like there's a voodoo vibe to it.

jann (43:34.064)
 now I've got cowboys, I've got Dickens characters, there's some animals, there's, there's pirates with parrots, there's all kinds of, this guy was a really interesting artist and he had an amazing body of work. I don't think there's any end. I'm going to run out of wall. So.

Sarah Burke (43:34.462)
I'm going to go to bed.

Sarah Burke (44:00.094)
A question came up in my mind about this end of life discussion, if I may ask you both. Did you overhear any discussion about how they wanted to be those who were leaving, how they wanted to be perceived in signs after they are gone?

jann (44:05.232)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Yeah.

jann (44:19.92)
No, I don't think anyone said that. Like I said, my friend's mother -in -law said, I'll be in the stars. And I said, the room was very heavy. And like I said, I went in there guns a blaring and I just thought, I'm going to be the person kicking the elephant out the door. And I said, soon as I walked in the door with Poppy to collect their dogs, I said, boy, you guys are going on an adventure, hey? What an adventure you're going on because I wanna change.

Sarah Burke (44:44.862)
No.

jann (44:51.408)
I wanted to change something. I wanted to go in and give them a break. Give them a moment. And like I said, I'm not a relative. I don't have a dog in the hunt here. I just was like, I went in with a lot of joy and positivity. I was big and bold and loud and talking about, you know, wow, this is something else. What a day. Like what a...

Sarah Burke (45:05.566)
Yeah.

Sarah Burke (45:15.198)
Like you know with your mom how she was like, oh, I'll be in the animals. And you guys like sort of had that moment.

jann (45:20.144)
Well, I said in my, I don't know if she heard me, but I said, mom, just come, come bring, bring the deer. And I have had nothing but wildlife in this yard ever since she's gone. But listen, whatever your thing is, and I, and I don't want this to be an upsetting, uh, podcast for anybody. I want you to know how much joy and positivity was in that room. And yeah, there's sadness because saying goodbye to anybody at any time is always kind of sad, but, um,

Sarah Burke (45:29.15)
Yeah.

jann (45:50.896)
Anyway, we're not gonna end this podcast with this. I wanna spend the last couple of minutes just talking about, you know, if, this is so random. We're flipping all over the place today, but when Caitlin sent me this article, and when I read it, I had to read it about four times. And it was about people back in the fricking day used to invest in gold. Yes, they did. Bitcoin kind of got away from me a little bit. I'm like, I'm not going there, however,

I have many friends that have made a fortune with Bitcoin. They really have. Okay. Well,

Caitlin Green (46:23.982)
Bitcoin's back too. It dropped and now it's like rebounded. If you still have Bitcoin, I do. Just hang on to it. Don't let go.

jann (46:29.904)
Okay. Anyway, that's things going on. I'm a little leery of it. So instead of gold, you know, the good old tried and true gold and silver handbags are something that they are encouraging people to invest their money in. And it's like when they walk out, like, is it a Birkin bag, Caitlin, that when you walk out of the store, it's actually worth more money than when you bought it 10 minutes before. Tell me about that.

Caitlin Green (46:51.854)
Yeah. Yeah. Birkin specifically. Birkin's like, depending on how difficult they are to get in terms of the material they're made of or the color or whatever, they're very, they're rare. They're hard to get on. There's a wait list to get a brand new one. Vintage ones sell for a fortune. And it's kind of similar to like Rolex watches or certain types of, you know, very, very high -end watches that they just, the supply is controlled so that it can't keep up with demand to create this high demand, high value item.

So yeah, Birkin bags have gone up so much in value that, and the same can be said of many purses, everything is more expensive. So why wouldn't it apply to bags? But like Chanel bags, same thing, certain types.

Sarah Burke (47:31.486)
Well, when you drive your car off the lot, it goes down.

Caitlin Green (47:34.062)
I know, and it's still such a purposeful thing. Meanwhile, if you bought a Birkin bag for say 10 grand, however many years ago, oh Jan, now you can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on some of these collector's Birkins. It's just, it's...

Sarah Burke (47:37.278)
Yeah.

jann (47:41.136)
Jesus!

Sarah Burke (47:50.398)
I feel bad about my mountain equipment co -op pouch that I still use as a purse.

jann (47:53.264)
You know, I was just, you're reading my mind. I was gonna say, so my roots bag, what's that worth now?

Sarah Burke (47:59.134)
Ha ha ha!

Caitlin Green (48:00.334)
It has a lot of sentimental value.

jann (48:03.408)
So, did you...

Sarah Burke (48:04.03)
I think I bought one, I've bought one expensive purse my whole life. And like when I say it was my level of expensive, like 130. Yeah, dollars. That was my version of expensive. It was like the Kate Spade outlet in Niagara.

jann (48:07.76)
How much was it? How much to spend?

$130? $130 and that was, were you in winners? Like where the hell did you go? Okay. The most, the most I've ever spent on a bag and it was a canvas. It's a canvas Gucci, a little like a postal thing. And I think this was years ago and it was 1200. I felt sick.

for two weeks. Okay, what about your, I bet your microphone was what, 300 bucks?

Sarah Burke (48:43.134)
But ask me about my microphone.

Caitlin Green (48:44.43)
Yeah, yeah.

Sarah Burke (48:48.318)
No, this one's like this one was a gift from from the ex -boyfriend. Thank you to the ex -boyfriend. But this is like five hundred bucks.

jann (48:52.4)
And you bought me a nice microphone. This better not have been $500. Don't tell me. Don't tell me.

Sarah Burke (48:57.118)
It's, I think it's like, it's a little bit less. It's a little bit less.

jann (49:02.736)
Well, I'm very grateful for this. And that was very kind of you. Anyway, I just thought that was, and the sidebar to the story as well, and Caitlin, I think you and I were talking about this, is that Drake has like a, basically a safe room filled with purses for the woman he's going to marry someday. Or what was it? It's all these designer purses.

Sarah Burke (49:06.11)
So am I.

Caitlin Green (49:18.894)
Mm -hmm. Which I think is.

Yeah, it seems like a mentally unwell thing to do in my personal opinion. I'm no psychiatrist, but I don't know about doing that. I don't love it. I don't love it in many ways because it's sort of this like reward system for this imaginary idea of a woman that may or may not come along. Like I do think there's like an objectification situation happening to a certain extent there. But I digress. He does have quite the collection. He's got a lot of money. I mean, so he can afford it. He can lock up these Birkins and that's why.

jann (49:28.048)
Okay, all right.

jann (49:36.08)
Uh oh.

She'll be back.

and

Sarah Burke (49:48.798)
Oh, yes.

Caitlin Green (49:54.19)
Hermes says, I think it was something like one in three or one in four people who purchase a Birkin bag never use it. They just immediately put it into storage because they know that it's worth so much more money.

jann (50:06.64)
Clara thinks that's absolutely ridiculous, don't you, Clara? Okay, we're gonna call it now.

Sarah Burke (50:14.75)
We'll just give her a minute. It's okay because it's on a separate track, so it's not going to be in the recording anyway. Don't worry.

jann (50:21.072)
Well, you've been listening to the Jan Arden podcast today and I'm here, of course, Sarah Burke is running the big board. She does all the edits and you know, a lot of these girls, these girls are doing it all. I really don't do anything. I just show up, you see my head. I looked so terrible last week that I actually blew dry my hair today and put on glasses. Cause I sometimes I frighten myself, but it's not about how we look on this show. It's just not. Although you guys, you got you weren't you. And this is what I'm starting to think about. Like people must, but you know what, obviously,

Caitlin Green (50:44.526)
Although we are on YouTube now.

jann (50:50.96)
My relevance is of no importance because... Irrelevant. Oh, I really should have known by the time... Irrelevant.

Caitlin Green (50:53.006)
irrelevant.

Sarah Burke (50:53.406)
irrelevant

Caitlin Green (50:58.894)
See, I think you...

Sarah Burke (51:00.03)
I challenge you. But instead of the writers that you write music with, you need your Jan creators to write that one with you. Okay? Leah, when you're listening, we do have a couple of voice notes we can throw to you. Okay.

Caitlin Green (51:02.51)
By the time I tweeted this See? I'm telling you.

jann (51:11.376)
Okay, well, we'll do it.

Caitlin Green (51:12.238)
Leah.

jann (51:17.488)
Oh, let's do it. Let's let's do it.

Good way to finish it off.

Sarah Burke (51:23.454)
So Katie Farris sent in this voice note in response to your conversation with Naheed Nenshi last week. And here is Melanie from Niagara. Wonder if she's watching the eclipse tomorrow.

jann (51:37.136)
Melanie...

Sarah Burke (51:39.454)
And Tara got, she had so much to say, there's two of them here. So, Tara, thank you for all of that.

jann (51:44.656)
Whew, Tara was unloading it all. Thank you, Tara. Thank you for leaving us voice notes. We appreciate it more than you know. You can subscribe to our channel. You can find us on all your favorite places where you get your podcasts. And yeah, we appreciate it. And you can rate us. It's five stars, but give us eight. It doesn't matter. We appreciate it. But we're here week after week. We want to, yeah, next week our sponsors are coming out. Intact is gonna be back with us. We're very excited to have our partners, the Intact Insurance folks, and we're gonna...

Sarah Burke (52:05.95)
Next week.

jann (52:14.48)
you know, have lots more to talk about with them and all the ways that intact can help you make your life better, more secure, easier and organized. So that's all we have for this week. And that was a lot. We unloaded a lot. Go get your Birkin purse and, and get your will done. You're we'll see you next week, guys. Thanks so much for listening to do.

Sarah Burke (52:31.582)
And my will. I'm on it.

Sarah Burke (52:39.102)
You know, by the way, when I said next week, I mean, Intac's great, but did we want to promote ahead the guest? So, yeah, let me, let me, let me clip it in. So let's just end next week.

Caitlin Green (52:45.838)
Oh, Kate!

jann (52:49.296)
Okay. And one more. And next week we have Kate Bowler coming. Kate is, tell us a little bit about Kate. Kaitlin, you are, Kate has sent me one of her books before. She is an amazing writer. She's an, she's one of those people that inspires every single human being around her to feel more positive. Kate is a professional uplifter, but you tell people what she really does.

Caitlin Green (53:09.23)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (53:15.502)
She is. Well, she's a university professor. She's originally from Winnipeg, Manitoba. Now she's a speaker. She's got a podcast. She's fantastic. She started writing a lot about toxic positivity when she was diagnosed with cancer. And she was not expected to necessarily become cancer -free. She is currently cancer -free, against the odds, so to speak.

jann (53:29.04)
Mmm.

Sarah Burke (53:33.63)
be the same.

Caitlin Green (53:42.702)
And I guess in her experience with people kind of saying a lot of like unhelpful, toxically positive things to her when she was feeling pretty down and out, she decided that she was going to write about it and her books and her speeches and just her presence on social, her appearances on shows. I mean, everything is just, it's funny because she's obviously out to be uplifting, but.

in a way that feels very palatable and real and like accepting of the fact that like, like you always say this Jan like it's hard to be a person. And she always says similar things. Like it's just, it's hard, life is hard. And she said that people would always say to her, you know, well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And she's like, I like to think of it as whatever doesn't kill you is probably just going to try again tomorrow.

jann (54:09.36)
Yes.

jann (54:20.4)
Jesus Christ. Every everything happens for a reason.

Sarah Burke (54:24.862)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (54:27.246)
that's not always true actually so she's a realist. They are.

jann (54:28.336)
No, but that's because people are uncomfortable. And, you know, just to get back to my pals, folks leaving the world today, I just went into that room just really positive, because I didn't want to do that. Well, you know, I just, I didn't have any of those. Anyway.

Caitlin Green (54:47.598)
So she'll be here, she'll be our special guest next week. We are so, so thrilled to speak with her. I cannot wait.

jann (54:50.384)
Awesome.

Kate, Kate, we'll see you soon with Kate.